The layers of Lauryn Hill

[Amilcar]

I was reading this article: www.filmfreakcentral.net/dvdreviews/laurynhillunplugged2.htm .
And rememered that in her album(Lauryn), MTV Unplugged 2.0, she said that all of the songs were about her first. Then in songs like "O Jeruselum" she talks about Eve finding out that she was bi-sexual. Do you think that Lauryn herself was in that situation of confusion of ones own sexuality? There are other elements that this article brought out, that I never really thought about. My perspective of Lauryn at that point when she did this album is a little mroe....confused on what was going on in her mind. I love Lauryn Hill to death, but I think she has a lot of misconceptions in her mind then we do about her. Well that being said, I meant to say when she did the Unplugged album. She now seems more together, rational and healther mentally. What do you all think?

[tin]

But in the Howard stern interview she said "you won't find more heterosexual than me ".
She's a gemini and geminies tend to be very complex creatures.
she's constantly re evaluating her views.
The Lauryn Hill you see now won't have a thing to do with the Lauryn Hill you will see in 6 months.

[tin]

by the way,the person who wrote that article was MEAN !!!!
Unplugged wasn't that bad !
the message came first !
Man I feel bad for Ms Hill, she gave her all in that performance and all she got was constant backlash !
No wonder she's acting like a diva now !

[Amilcar]

That's something that's very true in terms of Ms Hill(I'm sorry I hate calling her that, I prefer Lauryn Hill, sounds more..unique[because it's spelled Lauryn not Lauren]) She does always reevaluate herself. I'm the same way. But I still think she was confused about her sexuality because she did say all those songs were aboout her first. So they had something to do with her. To Tin, I do think they were overaly critical on the performance. I presonally found some of them very inspirational and helpful. Like Mystery of Iniquity, Freadom Time, and I Find it Hard to Say. Those songs were hot. It's just that superficial people can't appreiciate deep music that was broadcasted by someone whose so deep and in touch with there true identitiy. Like she said in Trace,"... dysfunctional people run dysfunctionally." I persoanlly love her every day more and more. I don't know about anyone else. She's my ultimate role model and inspiration mentally and lyrically!

[sybillecutey]

me too !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[the invisible man]

To be honest, it doesn't interest me if lauryn hill is hetero, a lesbian or bisexual, because god loves all his creatures.
And it doesn't change her talent, her wonderful music and her inspiring lyrics.
But I must say that I am interested in lauryn hills position to gay and lesbian people, because her lyrics in "Adam lives in theory" for example sound a little bit controverse.
I saw pictures of lauryn hill with gay artists like george michael, so I don't think that she's a homophobic, but that was in her miseducation time.

What do you think?

the invisible man

[Amilcar]

I agree with you. But to tell you the truth, God is against homosexuality, because in Bible there was encounter were men lied with other men and they were punished or something like that because it was a sin. But I'm no expert in the Bibilical history.

[sybillecutey]

Miss Hill did read a poem bashing gay people in atlanta,remember ?
Ask anyone who attended the show.

[Amilcar]

See, she is against homoesexuality because she wants to live devoted to God, and his truth.

[the invisible man]

I am pretty sure that it's more the church then the bibel who is against homosexuality and we know that lauryn doesn't asociate herself with the church.
On the other hand it would be very interesting to read this poem from atlanta you mentioned.
Does anybody know the name of this poem and a source where I can find it?
And by the way: Lauryn hill is just a human being not a prophet! I am interested in her thoughts but I think that she doesn't write her songs to educate people in a religious way. And it is necessary that lauryn hill makes also mistakes as an human being. That means, if she is really a homophobic she makes a big mistake and I feel sorry for her. I feel sorry for her, because I learned to love people the way they are and it would be something I would wish her to learn in her life.

I mean there are so many questions I would like to ask her and so many things I'd like to discuss with her. And as a fan I am not afraid to have my own opinion.

the invisible man

[Amilcar]

That is very true, that's why I don't really get discouraged anymore when I hear these bad reviews and comments on her. Because everyone has their own perspective on her, and she does make mistakes and she does have bad days like everyone else. It's just the eccentric history she's had and her height of fame that people take it so critically. I don't think she's a prophet, but I do think that she is ahead of our time in the state of mind she is. Because she is very philosophical. Also, I completely agree with you when you say that her songs aren't for religious education, but for humanity education and as thereapy and as an escape. I don't think she's a homophob, I just think that she would rather not assciate with homosexuals because of what the Bible says instead of what she thinks. Because the Bible does say something like that.

[please dont]

Please do not speak in lauryns hills name! I mean, a statement like: "She is against homosexuality" isnt validated because she NEVER made a statement like that and if she did, please post the quote because anything else is JUST YOUR INTERPRETATION.

I havent read the poem she did in atlanta. And dont know anyone who attended... but with poems you need to be careful as well... it's all interpretations. especially with lauryns cryptic verses... so unless its 100% sure dont post your opinions and interpretations and sell them as Ms. Hills statements.

otherwise we have this whole rumour thing going on like we did back in the day with this whole racist story... seen?!

thanks.

[soulfulvirgo]

<<<<I agree with you. But to tell you the truth, God is against homosexuality, because in Bible there was encounter were men lied with other men and they were punished or something like that because it was a sin. But I'm no expert in the Bibilical history.>>>>

The Biblical God is "against" a LOT of things - adultery, murder, slavery - but at the same time, there are verses in the Bible that on some level advocate adultery, murder, and slavery. These verses were used as tools to keep African Americans' slaves for over 400 years in America and also have been used to defend slavery around the world... I am a spiritual person (not necessarily "religious") and honestly I don't believe everything in the Bible absolute.
People who totally believe staunchly in one system, sometimes seem to lose perspective. Think back to when we were kids...we all knew that one boy in second grade that came to school with finger nail polish on, or was more "effeminate" than other guys. ..come on, my point is gay people have been around FOREVER, back to the beginning of time, same sex attraction is not new -it has been known to exist in the smallest human societies (the Ju'Hoansi tribes in Africa for example) -- human sexuality varies just like like skin tone, personality types, etc. I respect all beliefs - but just because you believe in the Bible it does not mean that you have to forsake reason and start generalizing ANY group of people -- like "gays are damned" or "all blacks are damned because of the curse of Ham"....because do you really think that God - creator of all the worlds, all molecules, all cells, all galaxies, would judge a good man or woman based on who they were attracted to or what they look like? I doubt it. This is all just my opinion!
I think Lauryn has love for everyone, but i think that her beliefs and also her disillusion with stardom has caused her much conflict. I think Lauryn has a need to make sense of the world, she has to know the truth - and that she is going in the "right" direction...not everyone feels this way....but she does, and I think that has been the source of her depression over the last 5-6 years or so ...tyring to get some equilibirum back in her life. She is still somewhat "off", I could tell this by reading the interview in Trace magazine (and also by the emotionless,flat affect in the photographs of her)...Lauryn does not act like "Lolly" or "L-Boogie" anymore. She is working through many things...I think if she took a step back and looked at her life and accomplishments she would realize that she is truly blessed - she has done many great things for herself, and her community.

[Amilcar]

I agree with you on a lot of things you have stated. Many of them are very factual. But if you really do think about it, God created human beings. He created a male and a female. That's why we had the first couple, Adam and Eve. The purpose of them was to create human kind by reproducing and creating off-spring. How can same sex couples create off-spring? They can't they either need to adopt or get sperm donations. To create another human being you need both a male and a female. If you read the Bible closely, you'll find that God didn't create any of the bad things in this World. That was something that happend when Adamn and Eve inherited sin when they ate from the tree when they were tricked by Saitain. Satin created all eeil. It's just that many people don't know this, and that's how many misconception shave been cultivated; and all bad things in this Earth are usually created by God. I do think Ms Hill loves all people, but if she's following God's truth and knows the Bible. Then she'll know God is against homosexuality. So it doesn't really matter what her perspective on the whole situation. If she's liveing to please God, then she'll have to do certain things. Like not to assciate with homosexuals. I can't say this for a fact, this is just my theory and perspective. I'm not here to debate on Lauryn's beiefs and persona. I'm here just to see what people think of the whole situation. Everyon eis entitles to their own opion, just as I am. *PS* I do think that Lauryn should realize how blesses she is to have such of an incredible mind and creative ability. Well, let me rephrase that. I don't think she's oblivious to it, I just think that since she talks about her past being such mess. She probably doesn't want to acknowledge as many things she's done because she said herself, that she didn't even know what she was talking about and the real Miseducation came long after The Miseducation of Lauryn Hill was relaeased.

[soulfulvirgo]

<<<I do think Ms Hill loves all people, but if she's following God's truth and knows the Bible. Then she'll know God is against homosexuality. So it doesn't really matter what her perspective on the whole situation. If she's liveing to please God, then she'll have to do certain things. Like not to assciate with homosexuals.>>> Not associate with homosexuals?

That's pretty extreme in my opinion. Once again, I acknowledge the fact that you are entitled to your beliefs, debate is good. But, how can one judge another effectively without assessing what it is like to live as a gay person, without getting to know them or at least associating with them? Last time I checked, that was called prejudice, and that is exactly what many belief systems and texts have caused us...prejudice based in ignorance leads to hatred, which leads to genocide and murder. This is a recurring theme throughout our history...Personally, I believe this is the "evil" that exists in the world, a lack of true understanding of the multiplicity of the human condition. It takes all kinds to make this world go 'round.
According to the Bible, God did create Adam and Eve, male and female, respectively. However, everyday there are people around the world who are born as hermaphrodites - with both male and female reproductive parts, there are people who are born male who produce more estrogen than testosterone, and vice versa. There are people who grow up knowing that they should have been born the opposite sex. My point is that nature is not just an A and B phenomenon. In life, there are A-people, B -people, C-people, all the way down to Z...it's just that most people are A's and B's....it is the social norm. That statement is true in height, weight, race, sex, personality, even sexual preference. I don't think God created humans for the sole purpose of reproduction, if that was the case we wouldn't be having this discussion - there would be no gay people.
Personally I don't think God's truth revolves around disdain for homosexuals...that is superficial to me. I would think it revolves much much more around how we treat others, how much LOVE we have in our hearts, how hard we try to love and serve humanity like Christ. Because honestly, that's what God's ulitmate message was. But leaders and politicians like to focus in on what God supposedly doesn't like....well, where's The Good News in that?