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Post by Amilcar on Sept 1, 2005 0:36:19 GMT 1
Because she wasn't in terms of her true person yet. She was still hurt, and at that point she was still healing towards all of the things she has endured. Which she is still healing. If you want the real answers, I suggest you read Trace Magazine. It explains everything in detail.
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Post by SJO on Sept 1, 2005 3:36:19 GMT 1
The poem that Lauryn Hill read in Atlanta had NOTHING to do with homosexuality whatosever. Infact, it is the same poem that she read on Def Poetry Jam, "Motives and Thoughts". Stop it people! Stop the rumors!
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Post by Amilcar on Sept 1, 2005 3:51:26 GMT 1
Really, I love that poem. I know it by heart. I'll post it here so everyone could read it. <u>Motives and Thoughts</u> Rotating bodies, Confusion of sound. Negative imagery holding us down, Social delusion, Clearly constructed. Human condition; Morals corrupted. Trapped in reaction, Lawlessness wore. Dissatisfaction from bowls to core. Devils technology strategy for, Human mythologies, Urban folk laws. Sicker psychology, Counterfeit cure. Wicked theology robbin` the poor, Scheme demonology mislead the pure. Sticker strategically studied and wore. Like shown in darkness, Image exposed. Few could see through this new imperious close. Lustful this hustle turns humans to hoes. When the blind lead the blind, Just more trouble endows. It`s the mind that they chose, It`s designed to stay closed. Standards and jokers, Court jester logics. Sick looking cosmists from schoolyard to college. Primitive man in a civilized knowledge. System collapsed and he still wont acknowledge. God is the savior, Studies behavior; Tryna fix, the mixed mind of the avers. Stick naked colleagues on prescription meds. Wishing their problems was all in there heads. Moral dilemma, Prided the root. Misguided from youth; Heart divided from truth. Egyptian and Grecian, Spiritually dead, Empirically lead by the gigots in their heads. Motives and Thoughts, Industrial wealth. Global economy in it for self. Heart full of madness covered with kind. Pleasure designed to take over your mind. Furnished with godliness, Painted with good, These tainted price hoods have real saints misunderstood. While classes and government set up the veil. And cultivate mind for more mythical tale. Typical Hollywood follies good girl. While vice and corruption take over the world. Motives and Thoughts, Check your motives and thoughts. Blind with the wickedness, Deep in your heart. Modern day wickedness is all youve been taught. Lie to your neighbor so you get ahead, Modern day trickery is all youve been taught. Motives and Thoughts, Check your motives and thoughts.
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Post by ringi on Sept 1, 2005 10:31:50 GMT 1
I found it very interesting to read through all of your posts. I've never heard Lauryn talk about homosexuality, so i dont know what she thinks about it. But i do know what the Bible says about it: homosexuality is horrible in the eyes of God. Some one wrote that God loves all his creaters. i agree, but He makes a distinction between the sin and the sinner. that means, he loves a gay person, but hates his actions and want him to change. In my opinion Lauryn wasn't struggling with homosexuality and the link from this line in "Adam lives in theorie" and her saying "all songs are about me first" is rather poor. In this song she takes adam and eve into our modern society to show that what happend back then, when men turnded away form God, is still of importance today, because since than the human race is sinful from birth. In my opinion it's about her first, because she found out that she has this sinful nature in her, that she is a selfish person ( that's what she said in an interview at the bob marley 60th anniversary in Africa). She also says on her CD that it's always about problem, cause and solution: The cause was when adam and eve turned away from God in the Garden. As a result we have problems like carnal lust, pride, furnication, adultery...... Lauryn gives us the solution at the end of the song: “Stop walking in pride, let the thief be crucified, unlearn everything you know and let Him teach you". Or in other words (also from her same interview): "Africa needs Jesus Christ. I can't say it enough. Jesus. Jesus....." Lauryn Hill a prophet? Well this really depends on the definition of a porphet. I define it as someone who speaks God's truth (God's standards) to society and calls out for repentence. When i listen to Lauryn's lyrics i can't help but call her a prophet (which doesn't mean that she is without any mistakes). I believe Lauryn found the true loving God Jesus Christ and wants others to make the same experience, because He is the only way to the Father.
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Post by Amilcar on Sept 1, 2005 16:10:08 GMT 1
I don't really look at Ms Hill as a prophet. I mean, I could proclaim her one, because of the things she says. But bibically she isnn't. No one in this world is anymore. I do think that she is way ahead of our time and era. I got this when I read TRACE. She seems well aware of this society in general, and that's why she's doing the things that she does. She want's to spread her words to other, but people misinterpret what she says and make this whole big deal about it. Because they don't understand the true concept of it. So I think we should let Ms Hill think whatever she wants, and we shouldn't judge her. God is the only one who is allowed to judge.
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Post by the invisible man on Sept 14, 2005 9:40:45 GMT 1
This is not the place to discuss religion! And I think it is a big mistake to talk about things that we don't know about lauryn hill. I asked for the poem from chicage and nobody told me what kind of poem it was until somebody here posted that it was motives & thoughts. I mean, do you realize what you do? I wonder if you would feel hurt when somebody you really don't know, talks about your beliefs and things you said or did not say. I made the mistake by myself, I should have never been a part of this discussion here and it makes me really sad that there still people here who want to know that homosexuality is something "bad". One more time: Everybody can read the bibel or any other book with his or her own intention and to get his or her own interpretation. So, please don't try to convince people for your interpretaion of the bibel.
the invisible man
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Post by UrbanSoul on Sept 17, 2005 12:05:24 GMT 1
I was reading this article: www.filmfreakcentral.net/dvdreviews/laurynhillunplugged2.htm . And rememered that in her album(Lauryn), MTV Unplugged 2.0, she said that all of the songs were about her first. Then in songs like "O Jeruselum" she talks about Eve finding out that she was bi-sexual. Do you think that Lauryn herself was in that situation of confusion of ones own sexuality? There are other elements that this article brought out, that I never really thought about. My perspective of Lauryn at that point when she did this album is a little mroe....confused on what was going on in her mind. I love Lauryn Hill to death, but I think she has a lot of misconceptions in her mind then we do about her. Well that being said, I meant to say when she did the Unplugged album. She now seems more together, rational and healther mentally. What do you all think? ................................................................................................... In Response To That... First of all, the unplugged album was not that bad at all! it' s more than just the music, that album was so lyrically.... correct and well written. Next, the song wasnt called "Oh, Jeresulem" it was "Adam Lives In Theory". Finally, when Ms. Hill said the songs are about her first that simply means she isnt here to judge people without first looking at herself for example, the lyrics in "Adam Lives in Theory". it said "MASQUERADING LIKE HE'S GOT IT FIGURED OUT" i bet theres sometimes where she pretends nothing wrong when it really is... so shes saying she cant judge "adam" without remembering lauryn is not perfect... get it. The songs arent literally about her b.c she doesnt have aids right? she's not bi-sexual right? and she wasnt trying to "maintain a lie" Please Say Something Factual Peace: UrbanSoul
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Post by damnRohan on Sept 17, 2005 21:31:05 GMT 1
I really hate to have to jump in here, but I must. "masquerading like he's got it figured out" is not Lauryn, but the one person, ie: Rohan , or Brother Anthony. She is referring to the other person. Adam is the other person..not Lauryn. Secondly, from that song, it seems as though she was saying that because another woman was brought into her bedroom, it was only to please her man (like so many women do)....and he now thinks that she (Lauryn) is bisexual. Apparently, some sexually transmitted disease was passed. allegedly. What that disease was, is unknown to me/u/us. Some have speculated. No one knows for sure. I love Lauryn. She is the best.
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Post by Amilcar on Sept 17, 2005 22:39:40 GMT 1
That makes pefect sence, wow I never knew that. So this mean that Lauryn has an STD or the other girl?
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Post by tin on Sept 17, 2005 23:23:23 GMT 1
or maybe she got the std through Rohan ? you guys are nuts!!!! . If she had std she wouldn't have had two more children !!! She wrote "adam lives ..." in 2001, in 2002,she had a son, in 2003 she had another child. what r u talking about ?
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Post by Damn Rohan on Sept 18, 2005 4:31:58 GMT 1
Tin, you really have to listen/read the lyrics. L does not hide anything. I believe it is in "Selah" (which is the name of her daughter)...she talks about being sorry and regretful about making a mistake and becoming a SPECTACLE......she asks: DID U GET IT? (I guess you didnt get it!)
You have to listen/read very careful. On this site, there are her lyrics...read them very carefully. In addition, she talks about being ADDICTED TO A LIE! What do you think that lie is? And why do you think such an intelligent, talented, aware, woman would dabble in such a habit? Why do people? Ask yourself: What problems, issues could be so great to turn to a "lie"?! Think about it! L is very open. You must listen to her lyrics. Refer back to L's pics of 5 yrs and those of last yr, specifically the Tsunami Concert in Malaysia. When I saw those pics, my heart almost sank. Refer back to the Atlanta Concert. Don't you think that that performance was odd? Ask yourself why?! There were "rumors" as to why. But, if you listen to the lyrics/music, its not really a rumor at all. We, her fans, just dont want to believe that our goddess could dare, or would dare. IE: Social Drugs. 1
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Post by damn rohan on Sept 18, 2005 4:47:32 GMT 1
Rohan is a very *friendly* person, and obviously he does not practice safe sex. So, if L got an STD, it would most likely b from him!
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Post by laurynrocks on Sept 18, 2005 20:02:14 GMT 1
Look,buddy, do you live with Lauryn and Rohan to know whether or not they practice safe sex ??\ And Tin has a point, if Lauryn had an STD,she would not have had two more children after having written "Adam Lives in Theory". So get your facts straight before you start spreading rumors. As for the pictures (well yeah she looked a bit tired at the tsunami concert,),she looked hot at her european shows. So get your facts straight. Fugee-online,please do something !!(Get that "philosopher" guy over at the runboard to explain ONCE AND FOR ALL,this "adam lives in theory" controversy !!!) Nobody's saying she's perfect, we KNOW she's had issues over the years but she's human just like the rest of us. Would you like it if the whole world was discussing your PRIVATE life ?
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Post by damnrohan on Sept 18, 2005 23:11:23 GMT 1
Laurynrocks....there is no need in gettin defensive. Lauryn puts her life out there for us all. She is jus that open. That's one of so many beautiful qualities about her. She shares...she is intraspective and she gives of herself in her music. So be ez. It is fair for us to discuss what she has put out there. I love Lauryn probably more than u do.....so calm down. However, it is what it is.
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Post by fugees-online on Sept 19, 2005 11:01:37 GMT 1
Laurynrocks....there is no need in gettin defensive. Lauryn puts her life out there for us all. She is jus that open. That's one of so many beautiful qualities about her. She shares...she is intraspective and she gives of herself in her music. So be ez. It is fair for us to discuss what she has put out there. I love Lauryn probably more than u do.....so calm down. However, it is what it is. It is what it is?! It is your interpretation of the song- not to mention a quite extreme one. SO please dont sell it like it is a fact. I really think the discussion has gone way too far. I dont want to censor... I can only aks you to keep it objective. I really feel like damnrohan is trying to spread rumour... I mean how dare you to talke about this private stuff like her health situation and stuff... And mentioning STD in this context is really disgusting in my opinion. This is really none of you business so stop it alright. I really think this shouldn't be a topic of our discussion here. I can understand that some people are quite worried about her but we MUST NOT jump to conclusion... SHE is a mother of 4 (or 5 LOL) children!!! for GODS SAKE! how would you feel reading all that shit about your mother on the internet... think about it! To have another interpretation (a more objective one in my opinion that) Im gonna post Philosophers Interpretation of "Adam LIVES in THEROY" (read below) peace!
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