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Post by true2u on Feb 26, 2015 11:49:35 GMT 1
I WAS LISTENING TO THE LYRICS OF THIS SONG AND I WONDERED DO BATTERED WOMEN ALWAYS BLAME THEMSELVES FOR THE PHYSICAL AND EMOTIONAL ABUSE THEY ENDURE? SECONDLY, ARE THEY ALWAYS WILLING TO BELIEVE THAT IF THEY HAD BEEN BETTER THIS WOULD NOT HAVE HAPPENED? ALSO, ARE THEY STILL WILLING TO DEBASE THEMSELVES EVEN FURTHER IF THIS WILL GIVE THEM THE "CONCEPT" OF BEING LOVE.
I Had A Paralogic Fear Of Facing Failure
And I Couldn't Love You Perfectly With Fear In My Head
So I Perilously Had To Face The Danger
So I Could Come Back And Love You Whole Instead
It Takes Strength To Absorb All The Abuse I Did
Greater Love To Absorb All Of The Abuse I Did
Hey Baby Its Not An Excuse I Did
And I'd Do It All Again Because For You I Live
IS THIS LOW SELF ESTEEM
OR A PERSON WHO IS SADISTIC IN NATURE
AND RECEIVE SOME TYPE OF SEXUAL AROUSAL FROM PAIN
WHAT YALL THINK?
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Post by masdo 1 on Feb 26, 2015 12:53:30 GMT 1
True analysis, but sad indeed as I believe Lauryn Hill has never been with a man you truly loved her and complemented her well. Her choice of men have always been questionable. When I think of Lauryn Hill during the Fugees era she had this incredible aura and confidence about her that was so unique. Then she met Rohan I don't know what happened, I think being with Rohan made her have low self esteem, I don't think she is sadistic though. Lauryn Hill's case is about being at the wrong places and meeting the wrong partners. She deserves so much better considering her middle class upbringing, intelligence and overall education. One thing that cannot be ignored she has been emotionally abused but who are judge as one cannot ignore that major transformations in her life.
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Post by true2u on Feb 26, 2015 13:35:38 GMT 1
True analysis, but sad indeed as I believe Lauryn Hill has never been with a man you truly loved her and complemented her well. Her choice of men have always been questionable. When I think of Lauryn Hill during the Fugees era she had this incredible aura and confidence about her that was so unique. Then she met Rohan I don't know what happened, I think being with Rohan made her have low self esteem, I don't think she is sadistic though. Lauryn Hill's case is about being at the wrong places and meeting the wrong partners. She deserves so much better considering her middle class upbringing, intelligence and overall education. One thing that cannot be ignored she has been emotionally abused but who are judge as one cannot ignore that major transformations in her life. yes, but to say I'll do it again seem to say I just need time to get my strength back so I can endure what need be, but your were always on my mind though I left for a moment. |
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Post by supermoonface on Feb 26, 2015 15:29:46 GMT 1
Maybe the song is about tge music industry and not a man
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Post by supermoonface on Feb 26, 2015 15:30:10 GMT 1
Or maybe it's a song for her kids
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Post by masdo 1 on Feb 26, 2015 16:20:52 GMT 1
@true2, to say I will do it again to endure more pain seems scary to me, no one deserves to be in a non-functional and unfulfilling relationship. Everyone deserves happiness no matter the circumstances.
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Post by supermoonface on Feb 26, 2015 17:53:55 GMT 1
All possible but like many of her lyrics the meaning is somewhat ambiguous. Loose myself was released on the soundtrack to surfs up afterall. There is a more interesting point here for me. I think lyrics that can be interpreted in different ways by different people at different times in their lives seem to stand the test of time, particularly so when they are free from transitory references. The more references to transitory cultural phenomenon that are present in stories the more knowledge is required to understand the meaning. Remove the references and you are left with universal themes. Eg "roll whichever Benz to..." From eveything is everything - in a few hundred years very few people may know that a Benz was a car or even what a car was and some of the meanung of this lyric is lost. Contrast to the lyrics of I had to walk which contains no references whose meanung can be lost and you get the idea. For me the lyrics of loose myself relate to a very dear friend whoose life I had to leave for some years. We are now stronger friends than ever and that break saved our friendship while we both grew. "I used to do it for the love a long time ago" puts me in the mind that this sing could we'll be about music as well as other darker things. I think it's ultimately a song about relationships and self love.
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Post by true2u on Feb 27, 2015 3:50:21 GMT 1
I Used To Do It For The Love A Long Time Ago
And All I Ever Wanted Was Love
I Used To Love Without Fear A Long Time Ago
And All I Ever Wanted Was Love
Then Somebody Came Around And Tried To Hurt Me
Tried To Make Me Feel Like I Was Unworthy
Took Pure Love And Tried To Make You Dirty
Truth Was, That He Never Did Deserve Me No
I Had To Lose Myself
So I Can Love You Better
I Had To Lose Myself
I Had To Lose Myself
So I Can Love You Better
I Had To Lose Myself
I Had To Lose Myself
So I Can Love You Better
Lose Myself In Love
And That's Just The Way It Is
You Couldn't Tell Me I Was Love When I Needed It
When All I Ever Wanted Was Love
Should've Told Me Just Because You Were The Receiving End
But All I Ever Wanted Was Love
There's Something … About The … It Takes To
Give Love And The Good That It Makes You
True Love Can Never Really Forsake You
But It Took A Little While Just For Me To See
I Had To Lose Myself
So I Can Love You Better
I Had To Lose Myself
I Had To Lose Myself
So I Can Love You Better
Lose Myself In Love
And That's Just The Way It Is
I Had A Paralogic Fear Of Facing Failure
And I Couldn't Love You Perfectly With Fear In My Head
So I Perilously Had To Face The Danger
So I Could Come Back And Love You Whole Instead
I Love You …
So I Can Love You Better
I Had To Lose Myself
I Had To Lose Myself
So I Can Love You Better
I Had To Lose Myself
I Had To Lose Myself
So I Can Make It Better
Lose Myself In Love
And That's Just The Way It Is
And So It Goes That I Never Meant To Hurt You
Couldn't Stay But I Never Meant To Desert You
Whole Lot Of Things That I Just Had To Work Through
Time To Heal And Restore Myself …
Confrontation Of My Fears And Anxiety
Cried A Whole Lot Of Years I Suffered Quietly
I Know It May Have Taken Years, I Can Finally
Tell You That You Were Always On My Mind
I Had To Lose Myself
So I Can Make It Better
I Had To Lose Myself
I Had To Lose Myself
So I Can Make It Better
I Had To Lose Myself
I Had To Lose Myself
So I Can Make It Better
Lose Myself In Love
And That Was Just The Way It Is
It Takes Strength To Absorb All The Abuse I Did
Greater Love To Absorb All Of The Abuse I Did
Hey Baby Its Not An Excuse I Did
And I'd Do It All Again Because For You I Live
It Takes Strength To Absorb All The Abuse I Did
Greater Love To Absorb All Of The Abuse I Did
Hey Baby Its Not An Excuse I Did
And I'd Do It All Again Because For You I Live
I Had To Lose Myself
So I Can Make It Better
I Had To Lose Myself
I Had To Lose Myself
So I Can Make It Better
I Had To Lose Myself
I Had To Lose Myself
So I Can Make It Better
I Had To Lose Myself
I Had To Lose Myself
So I Can Make It Better
Lose Myself In Love
And That Was Just The Way
And That Was Just the way it is
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Post by true2u on Feb 27, 2015 4:00:06 GMT 1
Doesn't sound like industry, friend, or children to me. Brokeness, distrust, a feeling of inadequacy,afraid to ask what she so desperately loned for. hoping if she gave love she would receive love,this did not happen and her approach was deemed dirty and loose because she was not afraid to express this 'love." When does love stop being pure might be the bigger question?
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Post by true2u on Feb 27, 2015 4:00:19 GMT 1
I Used To Do It For The Love A Long Time Ago
And All I Ever Wanted Was Love
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Post by supermoonface on Feb 27, 2015 10:43:37 GMT 1
Think you may be pretty close to the mark. I struggled with the line "and I'd do it all again because for you I live". It' made me uncomfortable that the story would end with this mindset if relating to an abusive relationship. The only way I could rationalise that line without it been so sad is if it referred to her kids or perhaps her relationship with God. No person should live for another in exclusion to their own self. This is obviously an experience many people go through which Ms Hill has chosen to share which is why for me it merits discussion. That line actually stirs outrage in me. Maybe am going too deep but could the song be designed to cause outrage and by engaging people and allowing them to see in themselves how self destructive living for another person in this manner is? It's very brave to beat your feelings from a time when you yourself know later that it was not your finest hour.
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Post by supermoonface on Feb 27, 2015 11:01:28 GMT 1
In the sphere of internal emotional struggle this song has the same effect that Nina Simones's Strange Fruit had on me in terms of the utter wickedness perpetrated during the period of overt enslavement of black people. That song made me so uncomfortable I have still to this day never been able to listen through to the end. As an aside, tge lyrics of Ms Hill's new material, consumerism, black rage etc has changed focus from the ambiguous universal themes presented in a lot of her unreleased tracks back to lyrics almost entirely focused on current, hopefully transient negative cultural practices. It is most definitely music for the now.
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Post by Smoking gun on Feb 27, 2015 15:11:54 GMT 1
Most of Ms. Hill songs reminds ome of Maya Angelou's books seem to be one big narrative of her life and because so many other experience the same things, then it can be universally consumed.
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Post by true2u on Feb 27, 2015 15:41:36 GMT 1
No person should live for another in exclusion to their own self.
This happens more times than not when that person has no identity of their own or they have defined themselves by a name or an association that seems to solidify them with a sense of worth. Abusive relationships usually continue because the person is more afraid of the thought of being with someone else and having to start over than to leave that which is toxic, demoralizing, and absent of true love.
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Post by supermoonface on Feb 27, 2015 19:52:13 GMT 1
I don't explian myself very well sometimes, appreciate you taking the time the interact. It's like my brain is a pot of boiling water filled with salt and sugar and the longer it boils the more water evaporates, and more the turbulence subsides till eventually I'm left just the salt and sugar crystals. I'm about half full of water still on some of these ideas ha ha ! Current ideas on quantum physics are getting very close to saying the same thing as the oldest religions. Imagine if an alien viewed humans from a far in the same way that we view ants and tried to work out why we behave in the ways we do. How confusing it would be just teasing out the reasons for different actions we commit and their effects On others and our environment. The effects of money (an invented concept) and love, by Many accounts a non corporial motivator alone move around so many atoms on a macro scale very similar to the description of quantum entanglenent. I need a a rest or I might run out of gas to boil my water. Ha ha
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