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Post by supermoonface on Feb 17, 2016 11:11:24 GMT 1
But if they knew Lauryn and her band were coming in a private plane why were they not prepared to set up both bands ? I took the band comment to mean they wouldn't have time during the show itself to set the stage with both bands - but if the plan was fur her to do a song with her own band wouldn't they have already raised that issue before she got on the plane ?
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Post by supermoonface on Feb 17, 2016 11:16:46 GMT 1
Maybe she wanted to do black rage and the Grammy people pooped their pants
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Post by Oprah on Feb 17, 2016 11:18:35 GMT 1
That promo video played for about a week, Lauryn had a week to make a statement, not only that she and her band had been rehearsing for the show for a week, they acually had a special arrangement for the show in which they were gonna perform their own song and join the weeknd on his; and not only that the promo video had been edited many times... The video once had Drake in it, he pulled out and he was removed, same thing with Nicki, then Lauryn was added. Ms. Hill camp says one thing, but other sources says she showed up during his performance and was late. You can look at the Weeknds performance and see he continued to look back, all throughout his performance he was expecting her. It's not like its unlike Lauryn to be late! I'm sorry, but I'm not gonna fly with my crew on a private plane to an event then be late, and say opps well we never had a contract so I'm excused. Thats unprofessional! Her sound engineer already said she had been looking forward to that Grammy performance for a while. Matter of fact, her team that didn't fly on the private plane after the Boston gig, flew out of NJ monday morning exclusively for the Grammys... At the end of the day, no matter the circumstances whether Ms. Hill was wrong or the Grammys were wrong, Ms Hill and her camp will face the public scrutiny due to the fact she was a no show, when she already has a reputation of being late to her own concerts. just because it played for a week doesn't mean she knew about it the promo. It wasn't supposed to be out there in the first place (surprise remember). This is where the Grammy's fkd up; they did this on purpose. He may have been expecting her, but it sounds like they didn't let her on stage, so I wouldn't really classify it as a no-show, as she did make it. People do all sorts of things in anticipation of events. If she felt like there was a possibility she could do it, I'm sure she wanted to get there and do a rehearsal in case she would be able to. Yes, it's not unlike her to be late. It is what it is. If it wasn't really confirmed, then she would have had every right to back out, but it seems as though she DID make it to the event. Let it go, you sound upset as hell lol. I think Lauryn has a little anxiety; it does exist. Night! She'll probably restructure some things I suppose. I'm not upset. I actually want Lauryn to win, like most people who stated she wasn't gonna show before the Grammys even started; deep down they all wanted her to win; they are all fans; even the haters on LSA, they are all Lauryn fans. The thing is this behavior has been occurring since 2005 and yet some fans still excuse it, where everybody else is wrong, and Ms. Hill is right. Everybody is not out to get Ms. Hill. At the end of the day, Ms. Hill will always have an excuse for her behavior; however, theirs no accountability. As fans we do not have to agree with everything the artist does, its important to critic the artist. Hip-Hop fans are currently dragging Kanye West through the mud for his latest album, yet deep down they love him as an artist.
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Post by supermoonface on Feb 17, 2016 11:52:56 GMT 1
If it turned out that she intentionally missed the performance out of malice or ego that would be worthy of reproach. There does seem to be an element of not been able to say "sorry I was out of order I could have done this better" but there's a lot of that going around. If she was just late why not simply have her team release a statement saying "I was knackered, I over committed myself, was having a major stress out and am bummed it went tits up too"
or " I got pissed off when my band got bumped had a giant rant and blew my Voice out"
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Post by supermoonface on Feb 17, 2016 11:54:47 GMT 1
Woo hoo my drain man is here !
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Post by supermoonface on Feb 17, 2016 13:19:55 GMT 1
if she did not intend to miss the performance and assuming nothing fishy went on she probably really embarrassed in that case no point deflecting -,own it I say !
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Post by Jena on Feb 17, 2016 13:54:30 GMT 1
No use in statements at this point. Imo Even the first statement was a waste of time. All it did was further burn her relationship with the Grammys. Nobody was ever going to believe her anyway because she has no credibility especially when it comes to being late. Lol At this point she just needs to put up or shut up as they say. All these explanations and excuses are useless at this point. Save it for Oprah. *in my sister Mary Clarence voice*
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Post by nigelahmad on Feb 17, 2016 15:39:48 GMT 1
lol this is getting juicy.
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Post by maryseo7 on Feb 17, 2016 15:40:42 GMT 1
The one thing I know for sure is that Ms Lauryn cares. I made my mind up about that after meeting her briefly in London. Watching her interact with people, even bearing in my she is an actress I felt she was no bull shit merchant. If you really care about people and want to have a genuine interaction with people you meet how do you maintain that level of sincerity when everyone is clamouring for a piece of you. There just isn't time to be real with everyone you meet, to provide the level of care you would ideally like to. Plus there are a lot of snakey sorts who simply can't be trusted. It's very easy to get the point where you are overloaded and then the fight flight or freeze mechanism kicks in. I am only exploring possibilities Lol it's hard work these days trying to be a caring person and standing up for what you believe in. Maybe it's always been like this but you hear stories about when folks never used to lock their doors. Maybe there was a time when the crooks had live in the shadows but it seems to me the crooks these days are brazen and the decent folks have to live in the shadows. I hope it comes full circle some day supermooonface you made many beautiful points. I kind of understand Lauryn as I am a procrastinator and an anxious person myself. Always late in everything, always delaying stuff because I want everything to be perfect. I can't even fathom what it would be like if I was under public scrutiny.. that's why every 4 times I saw her perform, I just waited (last time I even had a book, like for real) ...once (2009 I think) I even bought a ticket to Sweden from France to see her, but she cancelled the whole tour 1 month before the first date. I went anyway as there was many beautiful artists that time like E. Badu but I was still semi-desappointed. Also I can't believe that this women doesn't care about the fans. I have seen many artists for the past 15 years and she is one of few who stays and takes pictures after her performance (she did twice in 2012 and in 2014 and stayed more than 30 mn).. What she says, what she writes, what she advocates is just so full of love, spiritual dedication, passion and care for others... but people, even her core fan base/appreciators are concerned and start to be disappointed in her... i don't know how she will manage to correct this aspect of her personality because that is obviously what prevents her from coming back for good. It's kinda tragic in a way, she is one of the few remaining artists with real profound and worthy content, and she did so much for Black music and Black people (in the US but also in Europe where I live, or Africa where I'm from) by just being her and by dealing with heavy subjects like social inegalities and at the same time being able to relate to all nationalities and people. I can't accept that she will never record an exceptional follow-up to Miseducation, an album that would fuse all her musical eras : the MC dexterity of Fugees Lboogie, the musical fusion and excellence of Miseducation, the honesty and lyrical brilliance of the Unplugged performance and the profoundness of I had to walk, Guarding the Gates. She went through so many stuff : defamation and assasination of character, treason and attacks of former friends and lovers, still she managed to raise a beautiful family and people still support her. It'd be sad if she was just another touring artist, Miseducation songs are amazing but they are not enough. the job is not over, it's time for her to suck it up and just release the damn album already. I'm sure she can find her own way to navigate the industry world.
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Post by nigelahmad on Feb 17, 2016 15:41:24 GMT 1
lol this is getting juicy. But if lauryn really does have anxiety which I believe she does. Then I hope she is ok right now because that can be hard to deal with
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Post by maryseo7 on Feb 17, 2016 15:44:44 GMT 1
better this way..
supermooonface you made many beautiful points. I kind of understand Lauryn as I am a procrastinator and an anxious person myself. Always late in everything, always delaying stuff because I want everything to be perfect. I can't even fathom what it would be like if I was under public scrutiny.. that's why every 4 times I saw her perform, I just waited (last time I even had a book, like for real) ...once (2009 I think) I even bought a ticket to Sweden from France to see her, but she cancelled the whole tour 1 month before the first date. I went anyway as there was many beautiful artists that time like E. Badu but I was still semi-desappointed.
Also I can't believe that this women doesn't care about the fans. I have seen many artists for the past 15 years and she is one of few who stays and takes pictures after her performance (she did twice in 2012 and in 2014 and stayed more than 30 mn).. What she says, what she writes, what she advocates is just so full of love, spiritual dedication, passion and care for others... but people, even her core fan base/appreciators are concerned and start to be disappointed in her... i don't know how she will manage to correct this aspect of her personality because that is obviously what prevents her from coming back for good.
It's kinda tragic in a way, she is one of the few remaining artists with real profound and worthy content, and she did so much for Black music and Black people (in the US but also in Europe where I live, or Africa where I'm from) by just being her and by dealing with heavy subjects like social inegalities and at the same time being able to relate to all nationalities and people. I can't accept that she will never record an exceptional follow-up to Miseducation, an album that would fuse all her musical eras : the MC dexterity of Fugees Lboogie, the musical fusion and excellence of Miseducation, the honesty and lyrical brilliance of the Unplugged performance and the profoundness of I had to walk, Guarding the Gates. She went through so many stuff : defamation and assasination of character, treason and attacks of former friends and lovers, still she managed to raise a beautiful family and people still support her.
It'd be sad if she was just another touring artist, Miseducation songs are amazing but they are not enough. the job is not over, it's time for her to suck it up and just release the damn album already. I'm sure she can find her own way to navigate the industry world.
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Post by Moderator on Feb 17, 2016 16:15:18 GMT 1
www.theverge.com/2016/2/15/11004664/grammys-2016-watch-weeknd-perform-cant-feel-my-faceI watched the performance and yes, Lauryn may have been a no show but I'm actually happy about that. The Weeknd is not an artist of her calibre and for her to perform with him just doesn't feel right. Has anyone perhaps thought that she may have not wanted to take away his limelight? It was the biggest night in his career and everyone would have been talking about her. I really feel as though after rehearsals, perhaps these thoughts may have come into Lauryn's headspace and she preferred to not go out there. If that was the truth, isn't it ironic that even though she didn't get on stage and perform, it's all about her and not the Weeknd anyway
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Post by pjd4039 on Feb 17, 2016 17:25:36 GMT 1
Wow u guys have disected this Grammys situation in every way imaginable lol. You all have made some great points. For me it's not even about the Grammys or any of her tours. It's about the fact that she is a brilliant black woman who can really make a positive global impact by spreading her views on spirituality, love, and politics through her music. And knowing that she's been consistently in the studio for the past 4 years I know she got some gems to get people thinking again (I'm still fiending for a full studio version of Fearless Vampire Killer lol) but due to various obstacles from everyone in her situation, it doesn't get released. And THAT is where my frustration comes from, but still #TeamMLH
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Post by Wendy on Feb 17, 2016 18:18:45 GMT 1
A lot of great points made in this thread and i'm glad we're getting into a real discussion! Most of all, I do hope The Weeknd on some level knew (even if they fed it through his earpiece) because though I don't care for his music that much, being left hanging at the Grammys by one of your heroes would be absolutely awful. I know she wasn't at his afterparty/birthday party either.
I don’t think it’s too much to expect her to be on time to a TV taping. She’s been doing them for more than 2 decades now and knows that on live television you simply have to be there on time or you miss it and can be fined / lose money. She even made the Jimmy Fallon performances for ‘Could You Be Loved?’ and ‘Feelin’ Good’. Don’t they have to sign contracts as well? I wonder if she did for this appearance. To be honest they should have grabbed Jazmine Sullivan or Lalah Hathaway (who were both there! as nominees - and winners in Lalah’s case) and asked one of them to quickly rehearse the song out back with The Weeknd. Those two can blow at the drop of the hat and would have LOVED the exposure of performing with The Weeknd. Aretha Franklin did this in the 90s (around the time of ‘A Rose Is Still A Rose’, ironically!) and blew the roof off with her impromptu tribute to Pavarotti and her other performance that night.
All in all, I do worry about her legacy. She’s becoming a bit of a parody of herself with this extreme lateness, unreliability, and self seriousness. Of course who cares about the Grammys, but on the downside why would anyone book her to do a live TV performance now? And what did happen to that music video? Then again, I agree with her that artists are not slaves and should work on their own time and release when they are comfortable… i’m also a Courtney Love fan so I know what it’s like to be a fan of someone who is difficult and unreliable, lol. I do hope it isn’t just her own insecurities… especially after the years and years of not caring what others thought of her or the directions she was taking. I wouldn’t pick her to be so scared of the establishment. :/
Having said all that, whilst this is a disappointment, we’re just coming off of probably the most fruitful year for Ms. Hill since the Fugees reunion in 2005 and possibly even since the 90s. All those great Nina Simone recordings, A Cradle in Bethlehem, the acclaimed unplugged tour, the return of her voice, Concerning Violence documentary. Let’s not forget that there we have gotten more from her lately than we have in about a decade!
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Post by maryseo7 on Feb 17, 2016 19:31:17 GMT 1
Wendy, you're right on point. Right now she needs to do something big though. I remember hearing her saying that for her being an artist is like a priesthood (Belgium circa 2007). She is right to take things seriously. I side-eye artists who drop albums every year and I guess most of us don't even want her to do that. But it's like she is on the verge of the cliff and she doesn't want to jump (with a parachute though^^). Maybe she'll surprise us with something else like she did with the home video after missing the flight to Nigeria... She should just do like Sade: drop the album, a few videos and interviews, a worldwide tour then go back to your kids. At this point, it's just up to her, really... Personally just 1 more studio album would be enough for me, after 18 years i still bump the last once a week and I know I am not the only one. her voice is needed. I understand not wanting to confirm to the expectations of the public, the media or the industry but we live in such troubled times. Recent receptions of her artistry (Nina Simone tribute especially) just show that people are waiting and they need to hear what she has to say in a lengthy format. When you have such a gift, sometimes it's better not to think so much and just let it go man. She needs to let it go, for real. Hope she will one day... A lot of great points made in this thread and i'm glad we're getting into a real discussion! Most of all, I do hope The Weeknd on some level knew (even if they fed it through his earpiece) because though I don't care for his music that much, being left hanging at the Grammys by one of your heroes would be absolutely awful. I know she wasn't at his afterparty/birthday party either. I don’t think it’s too much to expect her to be on time to a TV taping. She’s been doing them for more than 2 decades now and knows that on live television you simply have to be there on time or you miss it and can be fined / lose money. She even made the Jimmy Fallon performances for ‘Could You Be Loved?’ and ‘Feelin’ Good’. Don’t they have to sign contracts as well? I wonder if she did for this appearance. To be honest they should have grabbed Jazmine Sullivan or Lalah Hathaway (who were both there! as nominees - and winners in Lalah’s case) and asked one of them to quickly rehearse the song out back with The Weeknd. Those two can blow at the drop of the hat and would have LOVED the exposure of performing with The Weeknd. Aretha Franklin did this in the 90s (around the time of ‘A Rose Is Still A Rose’, ironically!) and blew the roof off with her impromptu tribute to Pavarotti and her other performance that night. All in all, I do worry about her legacy. She’s becoming a bit of a parody of herself with this extreme lateness, unreliability, and self seriousness. Of course who cares about the Grammys, but on the downside why would anyone book her to do a live TV performance now? And what did happen to that music video? Then again, I agree with her that artists are not slaves and should work on their own time and release when they are comfortable… i’m also a Courtney Love fan so I know what it’s like to be a fan of someone who is difficult and unreliable, lol. I do hope it isn’t just her own insecurities… especially after the years and years of not caring what others thought of her or the directions she was taking. I wouldn’t pick her to be so scared of the establishment. :/ Having said all that, whilst this is a disappointment, we’re just coming off of probably the most fruitful year for Ms. Hill since the Fugees reunion in 2005 and possibly even since the 90s. All those great Nina Simone recordings, A Cradle in Bethlehem, the acclaimed unplugged tour, the return of her voice, Concerning Violence documentary. Let’s not forget that there we have gotten more from her lately than we have in about a decade!
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