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Post by Big-D on Feb 26, 2006 12:29:13 GMT 1
I agree,They should work as a group,as a unit,I wonder will they ever be in together in studio again
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Post by luvlauryn on Feb 27, 2006 16:25:35 GMT 1
Lauryn is turning to someone you are beginning to dislike; you don't like the way the fugees are recording in separate studios; they want to outdo one another- I'll say this: Lauryn four children, which constitutes her being a very busy person. I am not saying that there aren't other artists who arent parents or who don't have children, but Lauryn started having children at what some would consider an early age. At that age, Lauryn was realising alot of things and going through some problems-issues she had within herself and others. Lauryn has to first see to it that she improves for the sake of her children first. It's her fans later, but her children first. If her fans really love her, then they'll try to understand instead of contributing negative criticism to her journey. Because Lauryn has chosen motherhood, and not to be a fool by putting out music that polutes the minds of society and escpecially the minds of children which are indeed our future, she has to carefully think about what she is talking about. I think on the unplugged album she was trying to tell us"Yahl, I don't have it all together. I am emotionally unstable, and if you'd look inside yourelves, you'd notice that you are ,or have been at one point of time too." Lauryn is wonderful, Clef is wonderful, Pras is wonderful because he is humble. Though musically he's not given as much as credit as Lauryn and Clef, he could very well be trying to step his game up and learn from his two closest musical influences wich are his group members. I want them in the studio together too. But we have to realise that though they started out as buddies, they are all older now, and again, Lauryn is a mother!!!!!!!!! Who's to put them in a box by saying that they shouldn't do another album if they aren't going to be recording togher. The music is in the album however, the best vibes come from their live performances. Dave Chapelle's Block Party was great( I've heard) and all of us need to see it when it is released in our are's. BET awards, even with the condition of Lauryn's voice was great. Had she not performed, we would have heard headlines somewhere"Lauryn disses group members by copping out at the last minute" or "Lauryn is on Drugs". We did get a peformance(WHICH I LOVED TILL' THIS DAY) and we hear"What's going on with her voice?" or "She has fallen off" or " She needs to stop smoking weed." Now anyone that is vocally inclined knows that the voice can be very delicate. If you have acid reflux or something that minor, it can harm your sound alone. If your body is tired, or if you don't have enough water, or if it's too cold or if you have a cold or if you strained it from previous days, your voice can easily be damaged. Yes there are other singers that are siging greatly like beyonce however, these are two diffent people, two totally different voices, and two different styles. If we want a Fugees Reunion, let's suppor them by promoting the better and not the worse. We are the reason that alot of people become prisoners because we try to lock them up in our hopes for them instead of being open minded and enjoying the fact that they can carry out their hopes for themselves. If anyone has something to say please respond. I know it's long, but I had to get if off my chest!!!!!!!
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Post by Big-D on Feb 27, 2006 16:47:46 GMT 1
I don't get your point,she's mother like every other mother,what are you sayin'?,nobody forces her to do music,she's free,and people are not really satisfied with her's and Fugees's music,and you're sayin' that she's creatin' music like that because she's a mother?I don't understand
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Post by luvlauryn on Feb 27, 2006 17:57:25 GMT 1
Ok, if you don't understand, I'll break it down, please don't be offended, I only post my comments so that I can get responses when people want to respond and to give people an open mind about the Fugees Reunion. She's a mother- I said that because she may not have as much as time to spend in the studio or with her group members as she did when they were younger. Lauryn has four children, a family now so she may be very busy. No one is FORCING her to do music however, there are some of us that would like to hear from her. There are other mothers in the industry so what I meant by that is that she is different so she may be handling motherhood differently. She can no longer just worry about herself of do what she did in her "THE SCORE" years. Secondly I was saying that I want them in the studio together too but because of her lifestlye she may not have the time that she wants to spend in the studio. Who's to say that she is not seeing her kids off to school everyday, or sitting down helping them with their homework? Her voice can be raspy at times and clear at others. Why? As an upcoming vocalist, I know that almost anything you do phycially, emotionally, or mentally, it can put a strain on the voice and children, especially four, are a lot to deal with. I posted that because lots of us want to hear the earlier Lauryn and I am just saying we may not get that all the time. And as far as people being unsatisfied with he music, in one of her interviews, I think it was Trace Magazine, I am not sure however" She said that she has a responsibility to her kids first, that she has to make sure that she's not a clown by the type of music she produces ." Lauryn's lyrics are wonderful. Unlpugged was wonderful. Even Kanye West used a part of the song that she sang. See this is all my OPINION which is fine because everyone has OPINIONS. She was saying in Unplugged that she didn't care how it sounded that she moreso wanted to touch the hearts of people. My opinion again, now I'd rather for someone to tell me how to get through life, than to tell me that it's ok to lie, cheat, still, kill, or that they are killing up the block, or they have muliple sex partners and other superficial stuff like that.! But see those are the things that are selling in today's society. So what I am saying is that since Lauryn Hill became a mother, that changed her whole life!!!!!Nutritionists will say that you are what you eat, well that rule applies to music to. Take it Easy was great(Laurny's Part) Foxy was Just as great.... Yes I love Lauryn. And I can be honest and tell you that there was a time that I was mad at her situation. I am from DC and she had a concert scheduled October 30,2004 in Atlanta G.A. The morning of the concert ticked master called me at 5 a.m. and said that she cancelled her peformance. I lost out on my plain tickets and hotel room. And my opinion is that a true fan would grow with the artist or try to understand the artist as the artist grown. I am not saying that I would fly to Atlanta again because I still have myself to consider however, I am still going to try to appreciate her contribution to society, which is the contribution through her music!!!!!!!!!!! And yes she is free like you said, free from society that she was once a prisoner of however, she's not free from her kids. So once again, I believe that motherhood changed her whole life. You feel me? If not, it's cool.
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Post by Big-D on Feb 27, 2006 18:34:34 GMT 1
I feel you,and I agree that motherhood changed her whole life,I'm just sayin' that fans can critisize her music,because this aren't the Fugees we used to know
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Post by Filip on Feb 27, 2006 18:46:18 GMT 1
Ok...so this one really hurts some folks,wright? Well,it wasn`t like that before,when there were just 3 kids who tried to make it with "Blunted on reality", but it kinda went unnoticed...then Lauryn started to sing more on "The Score" and the things went dramatically better,increasing the Fugee status as a not group but supergroup all over the world.BUT Clef also tried to do as many songs (take how much albums he did,collaboes,etc.) as he could in which i mean he did as verses as Lauryn,while the Pras was chillin` (and being considered as lazy and uninterested).So we can love them as much as we can BUT none and i say NONE of them was kinda in the middle,you know to have like decent verses and a couple (preferably 3 albums) of solo`s and of course to not have bad relationships (even beefs) w each other.I remember in "The Carnival" Lauryn was kinda all on some Clef`s records and supportive as she can,but with "The miseducation of Lauryn Hill" she made a drastic movement as a solo artist,but again you may like it or not,that album was kinda 80 maybe 90% dedicated to Clef (some part to Pras) but not in the term of love or frienship dedication as it usually goes when you make a record (whole album) .So the public supported Lauryn in much greater procent (speaking of the Fugees) that any other member (especially Pras whose "Ghetto supastar" was smashed by "Miseducation) and after "perversion" of 5 Grammy`s it was clear,she made even greater sucess and nothing could stop her,sad many journalists...Years were passing by,and Lauryn haven`t done nothing much than hidding,like it or not again,followed by her "call it" ex-mate Pras who made even greater pause of 7 years before his returning attempt which will be considered later.Lauryn was first considered to be a dedicative mother (in the time of great sucess of `98 and `99) with Zion (her first son) and then it was clear that she will be hidding some time from a spotlight,as well.Clef was trying to put on anything possible (but admittedly smashed the charts in `99 with hits "Maris maria" and "My love is your love") and showed (or at least it seemed to public like that) that he doesn`t needs Lauryn`s love (yeah,take it love!) cos` we all know they had an affair...WAIT!? WTF? THEY HAD AN AFFAIR!? The public was ON again,that was interesting,newspappers had money from that,media had money,but what about the fans (yeah people,us)!? It was clear that it didn`t work out,and the puzzle was kinda completed,the Fugees are dead,some would say (remember how it have been sad,that after the "Score",all the members want to try solo carriers) and the fans after that felt dissapointed,first they bought Lauryn`s album on which she was basically expressing how she felt and all of that,then we found that she had unfamous relationship with Clef,and that again Pras went nowhere...so many bullshit for a group,but we sad wait,go on,give them another try...I remember that Clef tried to put so many of him on "The Score" (remember "Mista mista"?) that that was a time when you could say he`s the frontman of the band (we all know that Pras started the group,OH MY GOD!).Speaking of him,i feel so sorry for that man,you know,the worst thing that you can make in life is start some thing and then become the smallest in chain,cos` the ones that were with you in the first place,now are BIGGER than you,BOOM NIGGA! what you gonna do now?! That`s why i always felt sorry for him (and why i love him the most) cos he`s been kinda either lazy and undisclosed or enjoyed underrated status in the gruop.His verses were much shorter,but the man seemed to accept that 100%...why? i don`t know,we don`t know,maybe we will never know but i want to believe that he enjoyed beeing with the other Fugees.Back to Lauryn,she made a "light" after some time of darkness,and droped the live album later followed by a mixed feelings of both the public and jounalists.She seemed to be the diffrent person,much more focused on certain themes,like religion and god,she changed her view of thinking about life and of course confused the fans,who lets jus`t say,certanly haven`t forgot her,but live album and which is of more importance rhymes about god certanly changed both them and her musical style.It haven`t sold out.It went as a failure comparing to "Miseducation" and gave her another couple of years of "retirement" and maybe confusion of "what to do now".But she had a much greater aspect in her life then her carrier,since her first son was born,she haven`t stopped,and gave a life to three more...On the other hand,Clef never stopped,after "The Carnival","The Ecleftic" arrived and it had a few "Fugee wish" songs (especially "Where the Fugees at?")in which he stated that he wants the bandmates to reunite sooo much but that didn`t worked out.Me as a fan was really confused,part on his side and part of that other side that stated "My next album is going to be called "Eyes on the Pras" having maybe 2 or 3 guest appearances..."Yeah,that man was promising another (second) album,but what about Fugees? Pras wasn`t neither vocal or out of question but he barelly spoke about Clef and especially Lauryn.That album never happened,Clef pulled out "Masquerade" and till 2005 they never reunited...Lauryn wasn`t trying to do nothing new (neither feature or album) and neither Pras.Fans were separated,Lauryn still had the most part of them,Clef tried by putting so much music,snd Pras haven`t had any fans,so it was obvious who was (or who had) a chance to still make greatest sucess in the group.It was 2004,when Clef pulled out his "Preachers son" and fans still (and suprisingly still) put their hopes for next reunion Fugee but nothing.I was digging the internet and found next bullshit,while waiting for Lauryn (who was considered to be the boss,despite Clef`s liedership) Pras had a beef with Clef! WTF? WHO needed this? From when? I (and certanly the fans) were definetely on edge and couldn`t take it any more...Again no voice from Lauryn,then Clef makes a diss record towards Pras who considered his former-Fugee mate to not be there when he needed him,stating that he kept his mouth shot:"For the sake of the group,and for Lauryn,i kept my mouth shot".Some tough words were also heard:"It was going on for years,Lauryn`s album was toward Clef,no Fugee future,i`m officially leaving the group".The bullshits kept comming and it was clear,the Fugees were dead.I`m not gonna comment the current situation about who is the boss,who is better,and who is breaking the Fugees,but PLEASE PEOPLE,if we could hear and read ALL THIS BULLSHITS even from them mouths,and believe that it`s over,NOW IS AT LEAST HAPPENING,they are making the music.
Some facts about individuals: Pras started the group.Less liked then Clef and especially Lauryn. Clef is the most active member of the group. Clef has five studio albums. Lauryn is tending to be the stronger now.She insists of calling her "Ms.Hill". Pras has 2 albums,second wasn`t advertised and people don`t know him well. Clef wanted to do the track with Serbian singer "Zeljko Joksimovic.PERIOD. Lauryn calls herself "I`m a black queen" in 2006 single "Foxy". Pras practically never held a concert of his own,that`s why he leaks self-confidance.
WARNING:This isn`t an article.This is just thinking of an 21 years old guy.I didn`t wanted to diss any members of the Fugees.I love them,but for god sake,they are sometimes "hard to handle".
Outro:Fellas read the facts.Anything can happen with the Fugees,expect unexpected and please be patient and if you are really fans hold on a little more...It`s so hard to handle 3 big egoes and it hurts...they are now 3 BIIIGGG EGOOOEEESS,PEACE.
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Post by Big-D on Feb 27, 2006 18:57:03 GMT 1
Well said man,one kp 4 you
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Post by luvlauryn on Feb 27, 2006 19:23:22 GMT 1
Man you really have some interesting points...Post anyday......
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Post by sybille on Feb 27, 2006 19:25:34 GMT 1
Wow filip, you wrote an entire article about the fugees. Trust me, I agree with you when you said that they're so hard to handle and complicated, and mostly it has to do with Lauryn. She's very complex ( even she admits it "I'm complex like fine art" ,Foxy). I think she's been dealing with a lot of things over these last couple of years, and that's her way to handle it. We may never know what really happened to her, we only speculate, but I do wish her peace of mind, like I said in previous post. Now Clef and Pras may have had beef back in the day, but I believe that the two have settled their differences. As far as them not working together in the studio, in essence magazine, the journalist said that all three of them WERE in the studio that day. So the dj is probably wrong. I wish them the best, I really like them, I hope they can make a successful comeback. But don't expect them to be the fugees from 96. A lot has happened. We'll see. All we can hope is great music, like we know they can make !!!
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Post by sybille on Feb 27, 2006 19:28:22 GMT 1
Oh and I also agree with u luvlauryn.
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Post by Filip on Feb 27, 2006 20:27:36 GMT 1
Well,thanks Big-d,i`m just trying to keep it kinda professional and about an article,it isn`t really an article,i feel a need to make more complex reply`s so i can better spread my opinion...
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Post by Filip on Feb 27, 2006 21:31:03 GMT 1
Now about Pras and Clef`s difference it`s obvious that they ARE diffrent,despite the fact that they are mine astrological sing lol (libra).Pras is more like mine type,less open but confident to the others,while Clef is more open and destinctive in what he`s trying to do.But there are also some irregularities with them both in a maybe funny way and aren`t of some crucial significance cos` they are more grown up persons now...What i meant is what i mentioned about beef,the fact that they kinda both wanted the Fugees back together,but as they were waiting for Lauryn,they stepped into their own fights,and that was the time (2004) when the differences exploded.I have a song (i will post it later) with Pras`s protege-Sharli Mcqueen on which Clef appears (Pras `s rat pack label also known for his deal w Dante Thomas),and the thing is that that was like 2002-03 and it`s clearly obvious that Clef is saying like:'Make me do a Fugee album,y`all know what`s gonna happen...".By the way,he just made an appearance,a few words and it was basically the first record on which Pras & him are together for the first time after `98 `99,so it makes me think that knowing Clef to appear on maaaany songs it happened because maybe he wanted to do the joint w Sharli,or something like that...The problems,my friends, can occur when you least expect,and all i know is that neither Sharli`s whole album arrived,neither Fugee record from 2002 till 2005.I also know that Pras stated:"He (Clef) thinks that he`s almighty Clef,but it`s not like that.I officially resigned from the group...i felt that line that he crossed (diss record -:Fake ass Pras")".So basically Pras started the beef (he sad that he only sad a couple of things in a magazine,i think,but not beeing that much vocal as Clef).It seems that Lauryn is still the boss,due to her call,first to Clef and then Clef`s call to Pras due to reunion that was comming in 2004 `05.The problem (and another bullshit) that was sad was that Pras is still good with Lauryn."Me and Lauryn are still cool...i check out a lot on her over her dad",Pras stated.So why the hell Lauryn first called Clef (after a whole album,and a years of non-talking),maybe the tension was as equal on some points with Pras and her,tough i never liked the fact that she haven`t had a decent record with Pras only...It makes you feel that some things were wrong even in `96,and i think that,when it comes to Pras,he just needed some more space,although he pulled out he`s first solo effort way after Clef`s & Lauryn`s albums.When i say `96,i mean the post period of sucess,after the aclamation of "The Score",like in Lauryn`s "Miseducation" when there was a trial about ownership of both writters and producers (Vada Nobles,"The hit factory").See the shit always happen after (usually after sucess such as big as "The Score"),nobody will leave you untill y`all get some money,y`all know what i mean?And i`m SURE that the whole cake wasn`t on 3 equal parts (i`m not meaning guests etc.) so somebody wanted more!! I think that first Clef was that person,but not because of less part (i mean`t Pras) but cos` he always wanted to be solo (free) and about "Mista mista" i mentioned,it`s because it`s like bonus (but fellas,read between the lines,it`s simply a message,i`m alone on it,it`s the final record on a album,i wanna break free).I`m respecting Clef,don`t get me wrong,but this isn`t nothing new (since Lauryn made "Lost ones") so he was the first "out of the group" fella,and Pras...he hade a big thrill on "Ghetto supastar" as a whole project,not only a single,so after a failure he went down,and believe me (Leon sad the same) i really believe that he wanted that reunion some years after a Fugees brake up,part of because his own failure (he feels stronger with partners) and part because it really wasn`t all about the money as he sad,that`s what i like about him,that`s why i love him the most,as a man,not as a creative person.Y`all know,sometimes it`s really about the one that`s gonna come to save you when the ship is sinking...Clef saved himself (part cos` he is wise),Lauryn tried to catch Clef to teach him a lesson,and Pras...he stayed to sink,cos` he tried to catch both those two friends but almost got "killed" for his own lack of "myself" so he needed a years of self-training.I know that Pras had enough everything (money etc.) but it wasn`t just about making an album,so he stayed off the spotlight,went down (Big -d,you know the song "Friend of foe" xex lol).I`m writting this to let y`all fella`s consider the Fugees just an equal three peace group,co`s that`s what they need right about now,and if it`s the problem in Lauryn,let`s just pray that her kids don`t make her hair "stay tuned" in air (don`t make her angry) lol,since the family is as been sad here,"very important thing in life". :-) PEACE PEOPLE. P.S. luvlauryn,i`m from Serbia,like my man Big-D,so that`s why i mentioned Clef joint w Serbian pop singer xex lol.
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Post by Big-D on Feb 27, 2006 21:44:49 GMT 1
yo filipe,do you know what happened with that song that Zeljko has wanted to do with Clef?
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Post by Filip on Feb 27, 2006 22:29:49 GMT 1
Nup! I`ve heard from you xexeexexe...:-)
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Post by sybille on Feb 28, 2006 14:30:50 GMT 1
f).It seems that Lauryn is still the boss,due to her call,first to Clef and then Clef`s call to Pras due to reunion that was comming in 2004 `05.The problem (and another bullshit) that was sad was that Pras is still good with Lauryn."Me and Lauryn are still cool...i check out a lot on her over her dad",Pras stated.So why the hell Lauryn first called Clef (after a whole album,and a years of non-talking),maybe the tension was as equal on some points with Pras and her,. Are you saying that Lauryn should have called Pras first ? What would that change ? We don't know the whole story. Maybe she tried to call him, but he wasn't available or something. And you said that she's never done a decent record with Pras, but U mustn't forget that the fugees started with Pras AND Lauryn. Clef only joined later. So they were doing bunch of stuff together. Pras was never one to steal the spotlight. As you said, he's more reserved, so I don't think this is an issue. But who knows.
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