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Post by masdo 1 on Feb 23, 2017 12:14:02 GMT 1
@rudy Guest, I am with you on this one. I was like wtf a father at 19 and the audacity of Rohan to post pictures of this foolery. With all the money and the great opportunities in this world Zion chooses to be a father. I actually thought Zion was in college just like Selah. He has elder siblings Nico and Eden both college educated and focused and its Lauryn Hill's son who is a father a 19. Smdh at the congratulatory remarks. Not impressed by this at all. This is not the life we should envision for our children. What happened to the importance of teaching our children the value and benefits of education, being independent before they become parents, and being responsible citizens all around. I really feel sorry for Lauryn Hill's parents because she had a great upbringing. Still so many questions with no answers about Lauryn and Rohan's relationship. Zion is definitely a Marley.
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Post by tchiuuuuuups on Feb 23, 2017 22:39:35 GMT 1
Why people are so miserable ,hateful and so judgemental ?Like this family owe them something ...How someone private life might affect yours ? I bet those miserable people never experimented the joy and the blessing of creating life .It 's a true blessing and children are really a GIFT from God .You have people who have been married forever with millions in their bank account and they could never have children on their own .You have teens who never wished they had a kid and then they become parents ...It is life folks.It 's not like they ask you to feed their children or something .They had a new addition to their family and they don't need your permission to celebrate it or post pictures on their OWN social medias Some people act brand new when a child born out of wedlock is a NORM in the negro american community and most women are baby mamas or just unmarried (look at the stat)...Rohan 's older kids are from a different mother who come from a different culture with different moral and values and her kids are brilliant and accomplished ,no surprise here considering their strong cultural background but people need to stop judging....
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Post by Rudy on Feb 24, 2017 1:40:05 GMT 1
tchi... - 1. everyone is judging, including you. It doesn't become judging just because you don't like the opinions. But for your sake, let's say we are all miserable - so what? Miserable people can still tell the truth and make valid points. lol
2. I can't tell if you are defending or shading them and all Black Americans, but some of us thought Lauryn's kids would be accomplished and brilliant too - not turn themselves into statistics. You are basically saying that they are "negro american" so we should have low expectations.
3. Out of wedlock births are high,but teen births are not. And most criticism here has been that he is too young and still dependent on his parents.
masdo 1 - Totally agree. I for one hope Lauryn/Rohan find a way to discourage their remaining children from becoming statistics. Surely they would come out better paying tutors to get their kids through college instead of being stuck financing all of their grandchildren.
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Post by Rudy on Feb 24, 2017 1:50:56 GMT 1
I listened to that interview, at least Selah seems to be on track these days!
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Post by AinA on Feb 24, 2017 3:24:04 GMT 1
Why people are so miserable ,hateful and so judgemental ?Like this family owe them something ...How someone private life might affect yours ? I bet those miserable people never experimented the joy and the blessing of creating life .It 's a true blessing and children are really a GIFT from God .You have people who have been married forever with millions in their bank account and they could never have children on their own .You have teens who never wished they had a kid and then they become parents ...It is life folks.It 's not like they ask you to feed their children or something .They had a new addition to their family and they don't need your permission to celebrate it or post pictures on their OWN social medias Some people act brand new when a child born out of wedlock is a NORM in the negro american community and most women are baby mamas or just unmarried (look at the stat)...Rohan 's older kids are from a different mother who come from a different culture with different moral and values and her kids are brilliant and accomplished ,no surprise here considering their strong cultural background but people need to stop judging.... The problem is that people continue to see "marriage" within the confines of how "Whites" see marriage (that's that twisted doctrine). So they label anything without a government stamp of approval as "out of wedlock." While there are a lot of issues related to the functioning of "Black relationships", if there is a true commitment etc between two people and their families based on biblical/spiritual strengths and principles etc, it's not "out of wedlock". A lot of these people are miserable, sorry to say
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Post by AinA on Feb 24, 2017 4:40:01 GMT 1
@rudy Guest, I am with you on this one. I was like wtf a father at 19 and the audacity of Rohan to post pictures of this foolery. With all the money and the great opportunities in this world Zion chooses to be a father. I actually thought Zion was in college just like Selah. He has elder siblings Nico and Eden both college educated and focused and its Lauryn Hill's son who is a father a 19. Smdh at the congratulatory remarks. Not impressed by this at all. This is not the life we should envision for our children. What happened to the importance of teaching our children the value and benefits of education, being independent before they become parents, and being responsible citizens all around. I really feel sorry for Lauryn Hill's parents because she had a great upbringing. Still so many questions with no answers about Lauryn and Rohan's relationship. Zion is definitely a Marley. I was like wtf a father at 19 and the audacity of Rohan to post pictures of this foolery.
Is he supposed to be frowning? lol With all the money and the great opportunities in this world Zion chooses to be a father.
Are you suggesting that because he's had a child that these things will disappear somehow? lol Life is not a linear path. It doesn't work like that. Yes he's a father. He's a few years shy of when Lauryn had him. Age is not necessarily a determining factor for readiness (although it can be and there are some things that should be gained with age, not always the case). However he could've had this child later on and he/they may or may not have been prepared for him. Unexpected and prepared, expected and unprepared, expected and prepared, unexpected and unprepared. This can happen at any stage in life and it's not always about money either. I actually thought Zion was in college just like Selah. I think he was accepted, but didn't go, IDK, but college isn't for everyone. People have this simple mindedness about life, like there's a one size fits all type of thing, well no. All these people, who went the college route, when they should've gone a different route. It's not for everyone, everyone doesn't want college and tbh, if you graduate and you're Black, you will more than likely not use the degree in the field you've chosen, be underemployed or unemployed or go a different route totally or be paid less typically in your field. If you land a job in your field, you are either the last pick or a quota spot or both. They have quotas for us period in any field though. That's how they think. The system is designed to give the illusion that college = opportunities and advancement, not quite, although...they'll let a few/some in though. You can always pick up college at a later point if someone chooses to do so, there's no "age" path to follow lol. Colleges can actually keep our oppression afloat because you're not taught to use what you've learned and/or gained to build up your community. It's also promoted within the Black community to "get a good job" within the system and to not build up or create self reliant communities. its Lauryn Hill's son
Lauryn Hill is a person, not a character, not a commodity, not an object, not your dumping ground. Yes her sonNot impressed by this at all.lol, umm I don't think anyone was aiming for this, not in the least lol This is not the life we should envision for our children. What happened to the importance of teaching our children the value and benefits of education, being independent before they become parents, and being responsible citizens all around. You can impart all of that and still have this outcome and trust if you think Lauryn didn't do this... Zion seems like he was the type of kid whose ass you had to be on lol, but a lot of times traditional/Western based "educational" settings don't hold interest. Being a responsible person is taking care of your responsibilities, which THEY are doing and "education" does not center itself on college. College can be overemphasized and overrated and I have 2 degrees (since it seems you're impressed by it). It's a tool and primarily regurgitation and there's nothing wrong with that, just know what you're getting into! I learned more outside of college tbh. Some of the most not so bright people I've met were people who went to college. Going to college doesn't = high intelligence. That's another story. The majority of your innovators and inventions happen OUTSIDE of college. If we had taken Booker T. Washington's approach as opposed to WEB's route, I strongly think we'd be in a MUCH different place as a people. Vocational careers are good to promote as well. We lost all our SKILL following WEB and INTEGRATION. "The so-called modern education, with all its defects, however, does others so much more good than it does the Negro, because it has been worked out in conformity to the needs of those who have enslaved and oppressed weaker peoples." Carter G. Woodson. I tell people all the time, if you're gonna go to college or promote it to your kids, do NOT send them in with an empty head and do NOT send them in with the intent of "getting a job" send them in with the intent of "building up your community or coming back to it." Don't get me wrong, college is useful and can have a number of benefits, but you have to know if it's for you and what your intent will be with it. If your intent is to practice individualism, where you simply do for self, then that's what it is. No one knows what is happening in the house. Y'all don't know what Zion is doing. Ppl just make up shit. It's not the end of the world and tbh all over the world there are people who have children at this age, the difference is that here in America, our structure has been damaged and so because you have so many people who have taken on European ideologies like the triad familial structure, you have people who don't understand that collective rearing is actually beneficial. You know that saying, "It's take a village to raise a child", that came from us (Africanism). You know back in the day, when your neighbor could reprimand and back then that was spanking lol. or that one house that was always feeding the block or watching the neighbors kids lol In many societies, you have entire families who live with parents, you have people around Zion's age in other societies who have children and who live with parents while continuing to forage ahead, in many of them this is a RITE OF PASSAGE. You have societies where they are prepared enough to where they venture out with their wives/husbands (all of whom have no GOVT papers btw), they venture out with their new families in the community. The community helps RAISE the child. You have people who live with families/parents until they marry, in America/Europe that's a no-no. This sort of mindset is very eurocentric, this is how THEY think. Lots of various standards and practices around the world. I try to look/see things from a wider angle. I really feel sorry for Lauryn Hill's parents because she had a great upbringing.
TF? lol... You know what?? A lot of your posts have a tinge of elitism in them. You're always bringing up class, that's not relevant. Are you suggesting LH's kids didn't have a great upbringing? Y'all too damn judgmental and ya don't know jack shit, except knowing how to open up your mouths and speak on things and people you know nothing about. You do realize Lauryn's parents are probably baby boomers? Around there somewhere and if that's the case Lauryn's parents were grandparents in their 40s, lol smh, maaann I swear there are too many people with certain rigid concepts and ideas and IDEALS who can't see beyond their own set of narrow standards and beliefs, like it's supposed to fit everyone lol. Having a tight family structure is beneficial. They'll be fine and I think he is still with this young lady, although I don't know. So yes CONGRATS, the shit will be worked out if it ain't all ready. Lauryn be on here sometimes, so look, I know you prolly ain't want this just yet, but people always gon' have something to say about something that ain't none of their business. Keep pushing, you did well with those kids.
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Post by masdo 1 on Feb 24, 2017 10:42:44 GMT 1
@ain A You are too personal about this lol, no need to be all philosophical we just having a conversation its not that serious. Secondly, I am not miserable just shocked. I have always loved Lauryn and will always do. There is absolutely nothing wrong with having children out of wedlock, its a choice. My issue with Zion is his age, when I was 19 I was at University and having children was not on the list of my priorities. In terms of Lauryn Hill's background, we all know that she comes from a middle class background raised by a mother who was a school teacher and father computer programmer/engineer and that is definitely a good upbringing. I brought up her background because a lot of people insinuate that she is from the ghetto for some strange reason. I have never, criticized her parenting skills since I don't not know her personally. Her children seem very grounded, humble and intelligent. However, having a child at 19 is too young, he is still dependant on his parents I believe. Its 2017, so many opportunities and available resources out there for this young generation to act irresponsible.
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Post by masdo 1 on Feb 24, 2017 13:10:36 GMT 1
@rudy Guest, I was annoyed by @tchui "I can't tell if you are defending or shading them and all Black Americans, but some of us thought Lauryn's kids would be accomplished and brilliant too - not turn themselves into statistics. You are basically saying that they are "negro american" so we should have low expectations". He or she is so wrong for this one, comparing Rohan 's elder kids with his first wife to those of Lauryn Hill, stating that they are accomplished because of their cultural background. What does he/she mean by cultural background? @rudy Guest, thank you once more for agreeing with me, we need to set high standards for our children.
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Post by AinA on Feb 24, 2017 22:33:46 GMT 1
@ain A You are too personal about this lol, no need to be all philosophical we just having a conversation its not that serious. Secondly, I am not miserable just shocked. I have always loved Lauryn and will always do. There is absolutely nothing wrong with having children out of wedlock, its a choice. My issue with Zion is his age, when I was 19 I was at University and having children was not on the list of my priorities. In terms of Lauryn Hill's background, we all know that she comes from a middle class background raised by a mother who was a school teacher and father computer programmer/engineer and that is definitely a good upbringing. I brought up her background because a lot of people insinuate that she is from the ghetto for some strange reason. I have never, criticized her parenting skills since I don't not know her personally. Her children seem very grounded, humble and intelligent. However, having a child at 19 is too young, he is still dependant on his parents I believe. Its 2017, so many opportunities and available resources out there for this young generation to act irresponsible. Hey! I write in a very personal way. To me that's a conversation lol. Just how I roll sis, a lot of times it's taken for something it isn't and I get real passionate about certain topics. If you knew me...lol. And tbh some of your comments and others' comments seemed personal and were judgmental; that's how they came across, to me at least. I think everyone was kinda caught off guard with it lol, but it is what it is. I didn't specifically call you out though. I was just talking in general. I was thinking about some of the comments I've seen and it's like smh lol, but thankfully, the majority have been supportive and understanding. There's an interconnectedness whether you come from the hood, got people/fam still in the hood or whether you didn't grow up in the hood (which usually ain't that far from it lol). The way Black neighborhoods are setup is you could have a middle class area dead-smack in the middle of the hood lol. At any point, you ain't far from it lol. Everyone Black at some point has come from the hood/ghetto. Our culture was created in the hood and comes from the hood. It's complex, but there is an interconnectedness that goes beyond socioeconomics; White people separate themselves by class, individualism...and you have some Blacks who have taken this on. When you start getting into White areas they are not usually mixed with low-income brackets right down the street. This is a testament in part to 1.) our communal orientation 2.) Wealth disparity, in that within the surrounding areas of White communities they still rank higher in income attainment and wealth assets, even the lesser well to do White folks in some of their areas are higher in income and wealth compared to Black areas and its surroundings. Black households (single, "married" or unmarried) typically make 30-40% less than White households (single, married or unmarried). A lot of this points towards ownership of the surrounding areas by the people who live in the areas as well Anyway, I can feel myself about to write a ton of shit, so I'ma stop lol To me, all that matters is that there is a stable environment (in all areas). Zion and the young lady will find their "career" footing. I know Lauryn or somebody be on here, see if Zion is interested in day trading, that's another way to make good money. I try to help black folks with this but they don't be serious and I ain't got time for that. lol Anyway, I'm out. SaveSave
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Post by masdo 1 on Feb 24, 2017 23:30:47 GMT 1
@aina Please note that my love for Lauryn Hill will never die. I just want her and everybody around her to prosper not falter. Wish her children all the best.
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Post by Maryseo7 on Feb 25, 2017 14:18:53 GMT 1
@aina Please note that my love for Lauryn Hill will never die. I just want her and everybody around her to prosper not falter. Wish her children all the best. Masdo, i advise you to leave Aina alone, she's crazy and a bully who hates people who don't agree with her and call them dumb or young or lacking comprehension skils, so typical of bullies. She is full of anger and thinks lauryn hill is her imaginary friend and she is her agent. Since she came on this board, everybody left, she should have been banned a long time ago. And Aina no need to reply with one of your long ass uninteresting emails, i don't read them anymore you psycho. Masdo I am happy to read from you though. I totally agree, Zion is becoming a parent at 19 when he should be working or studying. Instead he thinks he is a gangsta rapper when he grew up in a privileged household. Selah seems wise when she talks but the few times I saw her instagram, she was almost naked on every pic and flaunting money, or luxury items her mom denounces in her songs. Lauryn critizes the industry or the system, but her kids are no different from other rich spoiled celeb kids. They're just more low key. I have been a fa' of her for more than 20 years, i always defended her and didn't believe that she was entitled. But before denouncing the system, she should teach her kids to be more wise. And given how she endorses Beyonce who teaches our girls that they have to be light skinned, with blonde weave and semi-naked all the time to be beautiful, I'm really starting to side-eye her. I still love her music, I'll always do, but even if she is a visionary artist, she is a flawed person like everyone else, some people are blindly endorsing her every words (like I did at some point) because she represented Black excellence at a time when it was rarely seen and then her mystic crisis or burst of the glass as she said resonated with many of us, but her actions or her seeds don't match the words. She's positive, uplifting but not perfect. I wish her and her family the best anyway. Peace
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Post by Rudy on Feb 25, 2017 15:15:49 GMT 1
AinA says "He's a few years shy of when Lauryn had him"
The irony of bringing up Lauryn. Yes, look at Lauryn - because that is exactly the point. She was also too young. Had she waited, I can only imagine she would've accomplished so much more. Now she is 6 kids later, so worn out by children and bad relationships that she has "energy alignment" problems and people calling her crazy.
Now consider that not only was she older but she was A LOT more accomplished then Zion is, more mature, showed much more promise, etc. If Lauryn struggled the way she did, what makes you think Zion, who has not shown the same promise, focus, dedication, work ethic, talent, etc. is going to fair so well?
As for college not being for everyone. I'll just say over 2 million Americans will graduate college this year, and like 2 will launch successful rap careers. If the boy can chase rap, he could chase education. His parents can afford tutors. And even though you look down on college/education, I think we all know that Lauryn/Rohan and family do not. "college isn't for everyone" is a line better reserved for those who would go into debt for it, not privileged kids with nothing better to do.
Being a fan doesn't mean you have to praise everything concerning Lauryn and her family. I agree with madso 1 that Rohan looks foolish celebrating this behavior.
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Post by AinA on Feb 25, 2017 17:53:21 GMT 1
@aina Please note that my love for Lauryn Hill will never die. I just want her and everybody around her to prosper not falter. Wish her children all the best. Masdo, i advise you to leave Aina alone, she's crazy and a bully who hates people who don't agree with her and call them dumb or young or lacking comprehension skils, so typical of bullies. She is full of anger and thinks lauryn hill is her imaginary friend and she is her agent. Since she came on this board, everybody left, she should have been banned a long time ago. And Aina no need to reply with one of your long ass uninteresting emails, i don't read them anymore you psycho. Masdo I am happy to read from you though. I totally agree, Zion is becoming a parent at 19 when he should be working or studying. Instead he thinks he is a gangsta rapper when he grew up in a privileged household. Selah seems wise when she talks but the few times I saw her instagram, she was almost naked on every pic and flaunting money, or luxury items her mom denounces in her songs. Lauryn critizes the industry or the system, but her kids are no different from other rich spoiled celeb kids. They're just more low key. I have been a fa' of her for more than 20 years, i always defended her and didn't believe that she was entitled. But before denouncing the system, she should teach her kids to be more wise. And given how she endorses Beyonce who teaches our girls that they have to be light skinned, with blonde weave and semi-naked all the time to be beautiful, I'm really starting to side-eye her. I still love her music, I'll always do, but even if she is a visionary artist, she is a flawed person like everyone else, some people are blindly endorsing her every words (like I did at some point) because she represented Black excellence at a time when it was rarely seen and then her mystic crisis or burst of the glass as she said resonated with many of us, but her actions or her seeds don't match the words. She's positive, uplifting but not perfect. I wish her and her family the best anyway. Peace Lol, this was a nice try. People simply have major comprehension problems (like yourself, sorry) are either young (in age or mind) and aren't well equipped yet to handle certain convos and I don't think I've called anyone "dumb" on here. In addition to that, ppl don't like when people bring them to task about their tendencies to judge people and their situations (like how you do). Period. I am perfectly sane and I've never sent an email to you (this is a clear case of a comprehension problem, I know what you meant though, but I wanted to point it out and make sure people didn't take your error as fact ) It's not people not agreeing with me, I have no issues with this, but you need to be well informed (nothing bugs me more than people who are not well informed and then try and speak on a topic). I have issues when people who don't understand what they are reading try and form an argument without understanding what's being said or are not well versed on a topic and then try and comment (you have consistently done all this and have misrepresented and twisted information you didn't understand or because you let your feelings get in the way and it tainted your understanding. The way I think and write is very "gray mattered" and many people have problems with this because it's not polar based). I find all of that irritating and so I go above and beyond trying to repeatedly explain it and people still do not get it lol, terrible. And many times the posts are filled with FRUSTRATION and PASSION lol because people are STILL NOT GETTING IT after having explained it Iono how many times in different ways! It's like god dayum, why TF aren't you comprehending lol. After a while I simply attribute it to poor comprehension problems lol I defend lauryn a lot because people are judgmental and do not know how to see various perspectives or all angles dealing with a topic or they just spout any and whatever about people (like your post). This board was dead when I got here. You have a personal issue with me, that's fine, but don't conjure up falsities and distortions based on them. You cape for a covert racist and don't even know it 😂. ED/Supermoon (my suspicion is that they are one in the same and if I'm correct, I called supermoon out a while ago).
A lot of people confuse passion for anger. I've gotten used to my posts being misunderstood. The way I write is personal and since I know Lauryn or her people come on here, sometimes my posts are directly to them, this has nothing to do with imaginary friendships lol, but yes I do think we share some common understandings about things. I find that people don't really understand her work, they don't really take the time to understand it, but I do because that's how I'm wired. I do that with everything. I try to understand people's perspectives, including new ones or ones I may not agree with, it's just I find that many people just are not well informed on things and it's like whyyyy are you even talking about something you don't understand and since I have the tendency to want try and get people to see things from multiple angles I tend to bring various points up so they can see it from a much more rounder perspective and they still don't get it lol. I don't have any issues with you, but you need to grow up. You don't read my posts anymore because they probably cause cognitive dissonance for you lol. Whatever, you will continue to mischaracterize my posts because, well that's what you do lol.
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Post by AinA on Feb 25, 2017 18:15:29 GMT 1
AinA says "He's a few years shy of when Lauryn had him"The irony of bringing up Lauryn. Yes, look at Lauryn - because that is exactly the point. She was also too young. Had she waited, I can only imagine she would've accomplished so much more. Now she is 6 kids later, so worn out by children and bad relationships that she has "energy alignment" problems and people calling her crazy. Now consider that not only was she older but she was A LOT more accomplished then Zion is, more mature, showed much more promise, etc. If Lauryn struggled the way she did, what makes you think Zion, who has not shown the same promise, focus, dedication, work ethic, talent, etc. is going to fair so well? As for college not being for everyone. I'll just say over 2 million Americans will graduate college this year, and like 2 will launch successful rap careers. If the boy can chase rap, he could chase education. His parents can afford tutors. And even though you look down on college/education, I think we all know that Lauryn/Rohan and family do not. "college isn't for everyone" is a line better reserved for those who would go into debt for it, not privileged kids with nothing better to do. Being a fan doesn't mean you have to praise everything concerning Lauryn and her family. I agree with madso 1 that Rohan looks foolish celebrating this behavior. Clear case of what I speak about. I can't lol smh. masdo and even Rudy (even though there is/was some disagreement and some non-discernment/misunderstanding in some regard) I can appreciate the willingness to dialogue. I love my people, that won't change , disagreements will happen, as will disappointment. It is what it is. SaveSave
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Post by AinA on Feb 25, 2017 18:58:44 GMT 1
@aina Please note that my love for Lauryn Hill will never die. I just want her and everybody around her to prosper not falter. Wish her children all the best. what more can you ask for right?
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