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Post by Oprah on Feb 19, 2017 19:04:30 GMT 1
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Post by Rudy on Feb 19, 2017 23:25:20 GMT 1
I know I'm supposed to offer the obligatory congrats, but....wtf??? "If there EVER was a question who I do it for" - do what for? What does Zion do?
Sometimes I feel like Lauryn abandoned ship to please Rohan and have all these kids, then he left her to raise them her damn self while he gave the world what we really needed - more coffee!! smh Anyway, now these kids don't look set to do anything but act a fool.
I know it's not the kids fault, they are just making bad decisions like kids/people will do. But Lauryn Hill fans really got the short end of the stick. And seeing this just made me more sad than happy. It's like when I see Malcolm X's kids in the news for dumb shit. Not like Lauryn is on Malcolm X level, but still she showed so much promise and now she is trying to find her groove while struggling with some spoiled ass kids. Anyway, I hope Lauryn has found some peace and happiness. And I'll say a little prayer for Zion and his baby.
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Post by Oprah on Feb 20, 2017 0:10:06 GMT 1
Sometimes I feel like Lauryn abandoned ship to please Rohan and have all these kids, then he left her to raise them her damn self while he gave the world what we really needed - more coffee!! smh Anyway, now these kids don't look set to do anything but act a fool. From an interview Selah did recently she's stated that Rohan was never really in their lives growing up, and its just now as an adult that he's actually present. She stated it has caused her to have anxiety. Looking from the outside-in based on that interview it seem Lauryn and Rohan had a difficult relationship, where both parties couldn't do without, and the babies kept coming... till they finally decided to go their separate ways. I guess the picture is becoming clear with her children now speaking out.
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Post by AinA on Feb 20, 2017 2:20:16 GMT 1
aww he's so cute!! Yeah I knew about this all ready, congrats to all of them. I wonder how Lauryn feels about this being released like this. I'm pretty sure they prolly discussed it with her. Anyway, I think Lauryn probably raised the kids mostly. She did good with those kids, especially considering everything she was dealing with. They're good kids, not perfect (who is lol), but they're good kids. A strong extended familial network they have I think, he'll be fine. Beautiful baby.
Lauryn didn't intentionally abandon us, there were other factors, plus I mean she also had a right to live her life. We don't own her lol dayum. Difficult relationships occur and these kids are not spoiled lol. I know you're upset, but don't label things as you think they are. It's not right.
I'm hoping people don't chime in with their ignorance, flawed logic and flawed assumptions, attacking Lauryn smh.
Congrats to the family. Glad the girlfriend is Black lol. That's what I woulda been upset about lol . They seem like solid kids who think for themselves.
Congrats Lauryn! I know the feeling though! lol. You feel you're too young, like DAYUM lol, at the same time it's a blessing. We want kids to make the best decisions at the right time, but BOYS have a tendency to uhhh well, they don't always think with the right head lol Anyways, again congrats. Wishing Zion, the baby etc a prosperous future and one that aligns with his/their purpose in life. :-)
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Post by true2u on Feb 20, 2017 6:50:18 GMT 1
Zephaniah is: The Lord has concealed; the Lord has protected; treasured by God. Zephaniah was one of the minor prophets in the old testament, but nothing was small about his prophecy. It involves the judgment of the Lord and there were certain practice being done that lead and led to divine judgment. These reasons for divine judgment:
God will judge those in Judah who practice pure paganism (1:4). God will judge those in Judah who mix the worship of God with the worship of other deities (1:5a). God will judge those in Judah who completely reject and turn away from the faith of their fathers (1:6). God will judge those who choose to identify with the heathen (rather than the people of God) by their dress (1:8). God will judge those who practice violence and deceit (1:9). God will judge those who refuse divine instruction, and who have ignored His warnings (3:1-2). Judah should have learned from God’s judgment of others, but she did not (3:6-7). God will judge those in leadership, who have abused their authority and forsaken their stewardship (3:3-4). God will judge those who presume that God is indifferent about their sin (1:12). God will judge those who put their trust in anything but Him (1:18).
Second, we are instructed to seek the Lord:
1 Gather yourselves together, yes, gather, O nation without shame, 2 Before the decree takes effect— The day passes like the chaff— Before the burning anger of the LORD comes upon you, Before the day of the LORD'S anger comes upon you. 3 Seek the LORD, All you humble of the earth Who have carried out His ordinances; Seek righteousness, seek humility. Perhaps you will be hidden In the day of the LORD'S anger (Zephaniah 2:1-3, NASB).
God is pure and does not embrace nor tolerate sin. We are to repent and humble ourselves before He renders judgement.
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Post by AinA on Feb 20, 2017 14:06:24 GMT 1
actually from what I can tell marriage in the bible is not a legal document or a ceremony rendered by a minister, priest, religious figure or an instrument of the government or stated "forever" vows (different from marriage). Marriage in the bible did not go beyond the local village and parents. The church had nothing to do with it, neither did the government until recent. if they choose to legally record any binding of themselves at a later time it will have benefits. But these are relatively recent inventions from Europe.
A biblical marriage is a verbal covenant or agreement and is between two people and their families with a few witnesses to confirm, this doesn't need to be validated by the government unless you want the benefits of government protection. A biblical marriage represents the contract or covenant. It is the contract. It has criteria though. But a biblical marriage isn't something however that is issued by the government or validated by a ceremony etc.
I am not against any legal paper recording of an agreement between two people, but I think a better understanding of things is needed. Everything isn't based on American standards of legality.
Many people also go through the motions of these ceremonies and government documents etc but many times these legally recognized marriages end up failing because they lack in other aspects, so it is what it is, simply making it "legal" in America doesn't constitute a true biblical marriage, just one recognized by the govt lol. They're young, it'll eventually work itself out in whatever way it will, if it hasn't all ready (depending on how they view things etc, additionally, you can't assume what someone has done or not done, like repenting etc if needed). I'm sure it's an adjustment for all involved, things happen, you move on. I'm sure Lauryn would've preferred to have had this happen at a later time lol, but it didn't and she has a beautiful grandson now. Anyway, They look happy, the baby is healthy...wishing them all the best.
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Post by supermoonface on Feb 20, 2017 14:08:23 GMT 1
Hey true2u,
I have a question.
In your post you say that God will judge people for a long list of things, is judge really the correct translation?
A judgement is a determination that proceeds a ruling. If I judge a situation or behaviour I am weighing it up impartially. What if you replace judgement with the word consideration.
This would flip the message of your quote from representing exclusive condemnation to one of tolerance and inclusiveness based on a definition of judgement more akin to a balanced examination of all a person is.
I prefer to seek the good in people than the bad.
What do you think? I mean what do YOU think?
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Post by Rudy on Feb 20, 2017 23:24:45 GMT 1
AinA - I said pray for Zion, but you are right, he’ll be fine. From what I’ve heard of Bob Marley, his father and sons, I probably need to be praying for the girlfriend instead. Oprah - Can you point me to Selah’s interview?
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Post by selahinterview on Feb 21, 2017 0:04:13 GMT 1
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Post by AinA on Feb 21, 2017 2:12:39 GMT 1
Rudy, maybe perhaps instead of irresponsibly making generalizations about an entire male line in a family based on gossip, maybe just simply pray for all of the family, ya know? I'm sure that will serve them better. smh.
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Post by Rudy on Feb 21, 2017 2:58:39 GMT 1
Thank you! AinA - Bob had kids with 9 women and raped his wife. The facts are crazy enough, no need for "gossip" when the wife has told her story.
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Post by AinA on Feb 21, 2017 6:13:25 GMT 1
Thank you! AinA - Bob had kids with 9 women and raped his wife. The facts are crazy enough, no need for "gossip" when the wife has told her story. uhh sis, lol this doesn't change my point regarding prayer, if anything it heightens and reaffirms it lol and I wasn't honing in on Bob. You spoke of the entire male clan where gossip abounds, and so that's where my point lies. My focus was Zion and his father mostly; and you know,any issues that may have arose with his sons don't automatically transfer over to other males in the family because they are part of that family. A lot of the things that have been said about the men in that family are rumors/gossip and whether true or not, it's not responsible to cast that onto others. In terms of infidelity (or womanizing if you prefer), it's not limited to one particular sex (except womanizing obviously lol), group or family. It happens, not something to take lightly, but it happens and it's up to those involved to figure out what will be done. Love is sacred, people need to be taught that, especially boys/men lol, but I just didn't like the hit you took on this young guy and his father (lots of rumors regarding him). If you're that concerned (which I'm disinclined to fully accept lol), I think the best intent perhaps would be to pray for the families. Bob was complex, you know he had a certain set of philosophical beliefs that encouraged what some would classify as polygamy and you know, the women involved they had choices, can't solely lay it on Bob. For a lot of Black men, masculinity is affirmed through sexual prowess and violence and this is because they aren't allowed to be men and for many Black women, love is affirmed through sex. Life is just complex and for us, we got a lot of dysfunction because of what we've been through and go through. Anyways, I'm out. Enjoy the interview, it was great. Night.
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Post by Rudy on Feb 22, 2017 1:33:31 GMT 1
AinA if Lauryn/Rohan think like you, their sons will be having babies all over the damn place. I can't believe those gymnastics you went through to absolve Bob of accountability for his foolishness. What Bob did was no type of polygamy, that man was just slanging his thingy around. And I guess you are suggesting that Rita is at least partially to blame for him raping her? We need to blame women and the white man("what we've been through") for a Black man's behavior? lol smh
Issues don't automatically transfer from father to son, but more often then not, they do. So you think Rohan set a great example(despite growing up seeing nothing but pure fuckery from his own father) and Zion will follow it? Well that's you. Good for you girl. But no need to argue, because time will tell.
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Post by AinA on Feb 22, 2017 8:13:18 GMT 1
AinA if Lauryn/Rohan think like you, their sons will be having babies all over the damn place. I can't believe those gymnastics you went through to absolve Bob of accountability for his foolishness. What Bob did was no type of polygamy, that man was just slanging his thingy around. And I guess you are suggesting that Rita is at least partially to blame for him raping her? We need to blame women and the white man("what we've been through") for a Black man's behavior? lol smh Issues don't automatically transfer from father to son, but more often then not, they do. So you think Rohan set a great example(despite growing up seeing nothing but pure fuckery from his own father) and Zion will follow it? Well that's you. Good for you girl. But no need to argue, because time will tell. You been knocking on LSA's door? lol maann smh, I'm tired of people that don't comprehend well and I'm tired of judgmental people who think it's ok to say whatever they want with little to no regard for its veracity because it's not about them. I'm tired of Black people who do not want to understand the damage in Black communities and its effects because they want to entertain their ideas about people and situations without realizing it goes much deeper than the surface (this does not negate accountability). It's draining trying to get this information across to puerile and willful incognizance. It takes too much energy out of me, tooooo much, so sis I'll leave you to yourself. Additionally though, I don't know anything about Rohan outside of his bubbly persona and his work, and I certainly am limited in context in regards to his relationship with Lauryn, they've revealed little to nothing about it and that's fine, it's not my business. Lauryn mentioned difficulties, obviously that suggests there were some issues; life right? If she decides to let it out, then hey. Anyway, so because I don't know, I don't spread assumptions as fact. I also don't put stock into what's floating out there. Why are people so pressed about what goes on in other people's personal lives? lol and why do people act as though life is peachy perfect, where no mistakes and their rectifications can occur lol. From what I can tell those children were raised very well and both parents factor into the equation (not a perfect a household, I've seen no such household and especially a Black one lol), not perfect kids (none of us were lol and tbh that's too much of a burden lol), they're still growing, maturing/learning/making mistakes etc. They have their own minds, make their own decisions (with guidance I'm sure), but their core is intact and that shields them from and can also redirect them from things that can pull them into many different directions. That's not easy to do with children, but especially with Black children because of what we face as Black people, that doesn't even take into account other factors. If anyone Black has children on this site or knows of some folks who have young kids, Montessori and Reggio-Emilia are favorites of mine (too bad you can't find a combination of the two lol, they share some similarities though), worth the price. I believe Black children are born with a natural genius/advancement (not talking that silly racist IQ test) but it has to be nurtured/cared for and developed properly. I'd prefer an African centered approach tethered to these two programs, but it's not totally necessary at this point, it's just a personal preference. You can factor that in at home. You know what I've come to realize? That the most misunderstood people (talking generalities), the most misunderstood people are usually the ones who actually have the most understanding. Anyway, congrats again to the families, wishing them continued growth (in all areas), love and happiness; I know it's an adjustment for everyone.
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Post by true2u on Feb 22, 2017 16:26:18 GMT 1
There are so many teaching moments in this post. It shows what the Prophet Zephaniah had to declare to the people because they refuse to obey the ways of the Lord. They being ignorant went about establishing their own righteousness and it always leads to destruction. When God chose the Israelite to be an example of people that served the TRUE and living God, He didn’t isolate them, but put them in the middle of the cultures that he was driving out of the land because of their practices. He warned them not to take on the practice of those cultures and their sinful ways. However, He didn’t stop there; He also told them the consequences if they disobeyed in Deuteronomy 28 Chapter.
Moon God sends warnings before He renders judgment. We can choose to rationalize and ignore His ways of truth, but at the end, it is His plan that will prevail. This may be hard to believe now because we are living in a culture that is just like the cultures that God drove out of the land; they refuse to stop sinning and they refused to repent and became progressively worse. My opinion of God judgment is irrelevant when he declares his decision toward mankind.
However, marriage was constituted in the Bible, we know that ceremonies and feasts followed afterwards. Marriages of today are done on a local level and in communities. There will always be a witness or witnesses. However, this does not give us a right to change the sanctity of marriage and its principles.
1. Leave home and cleave to his wife. 2. Marriage wasn’t consummated until the spiritual covenant is made by way of blood. The virgin hymen was broken indicating not having had sexual relations and the two became one in the Spirit. 3. The bed was undefiled and God blessed the marriage 4. Marriage higher meaning is compared to Jesus and the church. Despite all its imperfections, He does not make provision for divorce. 5. Jesus explained that divorce occurred because of the hardening of men’s heart.
This subject is long in itself, but just to cap off the idea of marriage, one of the commandment involve not committing adultery. This is deep because you are being spiritually connected with everyone that you have sexual relations with and therefore makes for strange bedfellows. Deep calling unto Deep.
There is none “Good” but the Father. We were born in sin and shape in iniquity. You don’t have to teach a child to sin it’s already ingrained in him.
Therefore, the prayer is that Zion has an encounter with the Saviour and is born again.
All of the practices and messages being sent here will only cause the other boys in the family to think that this is a trophy or something to be glamorized, when we act as though fornication (sex before marriage) is something to be celebrated.
However, the word says that the fleshy man cannot understand the things of the Spirit. They are foolishness to him. Therefore the scripture that says that “There is a way that seems right but it leads to destruction.”
Generational curses are real and it started in the book of Genesis with Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob. They loved beautiful women and caused many sorrows, deceptions, and pain. When we get to Solomon, he had an insatiable desire and no amount of women could fulfil his madness. He ends up allowing all these strange women to have him set up altars to serve these strange gods despite already having 700 wives and 300 concubines.
I truly believe that this was included in the bible to show us that in sin no matter how much is permitted, it will never be enough. The bible says it best. "Hell is never full and nor is man’s wants." Generational curses must be repented of or it will continue to rear its ugly head. However, once you are born again, these practices have to be denounced (cast aside, abandon) and will cause others that haven't been converted to think that you are strange because you don’t follow these sinful practices anymore.
Father, we come now thanking you for your son Jesus. That He died that sin would no longer have rule or control of our lives. We come confessing that we agree with your word that we all have sinned and fallen short of your glory (holy and righteous character) We come now to ask that you forgive us for turning our backs on you and going our own way. We recognize today that if we go against the prick it will truly crush us and we realized that you have already stated that your words have gone out of your mouth and they will not return void(without accomplishing what you have said). We know that you said righteousness exalt a nation, but sin is a reproach to any people. Father we come repenting of all generational curses in our families and asking that you give us the strength through your words and the Holy Spirit to overcome them all. (for those born again). Now, Lord, we are praying for a born again for Zion and all in his household who have not been baptized and received Jesus as their Lord and Saviour. Father, we pray that the day he hears your voice, he will not harden his heart but will repent( turn from unrighteous to your words and be made whole). Father. we pray for Zephaniah that this generational curse will not come near his dwelling and that he will have the spirit of Josiah to serve you with all his heart. Order his steps, Lord. We also pray for the mother that she will not bring any detestable things in her home that does not please You. Horoscope, crystals, and other things that do not exalt your son Jesus. We ask that she too, be born again or repent if she already knows the way of righteousness. Thank You, Lord, for you says that whom the son set free is Free INDEED. In JESUS name we make this petition and request. Amen
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