mbalnd
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Post by mbalnd on May 11, 2016 20:53:21 GMT 1
Did you guys really buy that excuse?
I looove L but have to admit I gave that explanation a side-eye.
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Post by Jena on May 11, 2016 21:50:20 GMT 1
"Buy" as in find it reasonable or "buy" as in believing that's what she's really doing? I don't think it's reasonable, but I do believe her. lol To be honest, I have thought for some time that Lauryn was backstage doing some spiritual rituals of some sort. That, or smoking weed and losing track of time or something. I know she use to claim she didn't smoke weed but I don't know. Whatever it is, it is not working and it isn't productive. She should be able to see this by now.
Based on what she's saying, she's focused on giving people something that most can't appreciate or don't want. I don't know. I don't see why she doesn't just perform and choose songs that suit her mood on each given night and be the best she can be in that moment. If she is not feeling "energetic" then just do a more acoustic, mellow set. To me, what she's doing is the opposite of spontaneity. 30min late is ok, but 2hrs is just too much. lol
That said, as late as she was, she's been later. I do feel the media/people made much more of this then it really was. Some people seem a little eager to jump on her, I'll admit.
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Post by pjd4039 on May 11, 2016 22:22:59 GMT 1
Here's how I see it. I think people need to research the artist before you purchase tickets. Lauryn has been consistently late for over 10 years, so if a consumer buys a ticket and expects her to be on time that's kind of on them. As far as the reason for MLH being late, Who knows? I get that artists do things differently, but with the Atlanta show people were denied the full experience due to MLHs tardiness.?I think she needs to ensure that the venues she performs at don't have curfews, that way the Atlanta situation won't keep happening.
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Post by Jena on May 11, 2016 22:33:40 GMT 1
Here's how I see it. I think people need to research the artist before you purchase tickets. Lauryn has been consistently late for over 10 years, so if a consumer buys a ticket and expects her to be on time that's kind of on them. As far as the reason for MLH being late, Who knows? I get that artists do things differently, but with the Atlanta show people were denied the full experience due to MLHs tardiness.? I think she needs to ensure that the venues she performs at don't have curfews, that way the Atlanta situation won't keep happening.I'd say that needs to happen if nothing else. That, and perhaps avoiding shows where timing is significant - live tapings, maybe festival lineups, etc.
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Post by Oprah on May 12, 2016 0:17:13 GMT 1
When a consumer purchases an album they receive the product, the artist at that point owes the consumer nothing. When a consumer purchases a ticket to see an artist the artist owes the consumer a product which is supposed to be delivered at the time which is stated on the ticket. We can be fans and still be truthful. Lauryn is in the wrong. If she cannot align her time she just doesn't need to do concerts. This has been going on for years. She was late to the Grammys, she was late to the Emmys.... I knew eventually this would be escalated. I'm also not buying the "perfectionist" projection.... maybe she is... but wouldn't a perfectionist release music that was complete?
Those people complaining are all Lauryn fans... They want her to win... maybe perhaps more than Lauryn wants to win herself.
I'm a member of a private group on Facebook which is geared towards people who work concerts and festivals. Lauryn have often been a topic of discussion where as many has labeled her as being "intentionally late," as she's known to be there for sound check ect... Be there ready before the show is to start... yet waits hours to come out her dressing room leaving people to wait. Truthfully, it is disrespectful to her fans.
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Post by AinA on May 12, 2016 6:21:19 GMT 1
dead and buried...response is side-eyed by people who don't understand where she's coming from. I felt bad for her because I knew she would be ripped to shreds because ppl don't understand her or wouldn't understand her meaning.
wasn't two hours late, only about 20-25 minutes
Time on the ticket isn't when the primary acts/headliner come(s) onto the stage. This goes for all concerts and all artists who tour. Tired of hearing about this.
Contractually, the artist is SUPPOSED to arrive one to two hours after the stated time on the ticket. This is the reason for DJS and Opening acts.
If the tickets says 6pm...the primary act is SUPPOSED to arrive on stage at around 8pm, anytime after this would be "late."
Beyonce's recent concert started at 7:30, she had opening acts etc didn't come on stage until her contractually obligated time...9:30. Same with Lauryn, except she went over the 2 hour time allotment by approx half hour, lately she's been getting on stage at the correct time. VA show, got on at 9, concert started probably around 7, 9pm is the correct time Lauryn should have come out and she was to perform for 1-1.5 hours.. max 2, which I think is actually outside the bounds of her contractual agreement unbeknownst to many.
Most people are unaware of this and think artists are hours late, this isn't accurate.
The people complaining are not real fans imo. (maybe some, who just don't understand the process), but I find that many people are extremely concerned with just themselves and so they don't take the time to really analyze things.
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Post by Oprah on May 12, 2016 7:46:49 GMT 1
When the Grammys happened it was someone else fault. Next thing we know Lauryn is at the Emmys late. Then she performs at Black Girls Rock.... late... matter of fact she performed after the show was over. Yet, little do you all know Lauryn was actually supposed to perform 2 new songs during the performance (I have the practice recording of both new songs), yet she was late to that. Now she is being dragged on the internet for being an hour late which her engineer stated on his twtter.
And most of the people complaining are fans. Matter of fact many posted their experiences over the years of attending Lauryn shows with her being late. While their was haters in-between the majority was fans. Just because fans disagree with an artist doesn't make them haters of the artist. Whitney Houston recognized that during her struggle, as most of the hate she received actually came from fans. Most people are not on the internet checking out Lauryn like we do, most of what they know about Lauryn is through word of mouth, and often times such passes slowly for an artist thats basically a touring act in 2016.
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Post by supermoonface on May 12, 2016 11:01:33 GMT 1
I think she wants the "magic" at every concert so she is putting herself in a place to let it happen but in doing so the other half of the equation I.e the audience are loosing their energy.
I to ink I understand what she is trying to do but it seems like she is forcing the situation and by doing so destroying the connection she wants to create.
if as she claims she is trying to overcome the challenge then maybe some radical action is required (it's not really that radical)
Forget clothes - buy 20 pairs of jeans and twenty black t shirts and have that be your uniform for the next twenty shows. One less thing to think about.
Forget trying to force a happening and just be. If the audience are open and not grumpy then maybe if she not feeling so energised they will give her the energy. Then you get a real connection a back and forth.
Lower expectation it's not going to amazing everytime but I think you will hit more than currently and it will take you by suprise when it does.
Am I reminded of the line - which actually cones from the bible "why for you to increase I must decrease?" If you aplly this to the energy level of the audience you get the idea.
Lauryn is clearly very intelligent and no points discussed are beyond the wit of man to understand. Taking everything she says as true it's not hard to see the current methodology is not conducive to her stated goals. That's why it makes our brains hurt lol
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Post by mbalnd on May 12, 2016 11:25:07 GMT 1
I think for the most part the people that complain the most about Lauryn are the ones who care the most. We all want her to win but she must also want it herself as well. There are merits to both sides but it's not good for Lauryn to polarise her fans this way. Questlove, one of Lauryn's biggest advocates, waded in on the issue. Not sure these are his exact words but interesting nonetheless. www.okayplayer.com/news/questlove-lauryn-hill-lateness-atlanta.htmlPersonally I think that court case really did a number on Lauryn
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Post by supermoonface on May 12, 2016 11:34:45 GMT 1
Maybe it would be illuminating if Lauryn were to experience the effect the current dynamic has on audience members. She could put on a disuguise and walk among the audience at a show or better yet attend a show that approximates the experience her audience has. To flip it around let's think about what kind of audience member would be required to still be open and receptive to the actual music as things stand. We shall call our hypothetical audience member Bob. Bob has been a Lauryn Hill fan for years. He loved the Fugees, loved miseducation and Unplugged and has spent hours scouring the Internet for unrealised tracks. Bob loves the new arrangements and actually prefers them to the simpler recordings. When Bob buys a ticket to Lauryn Hill show he knows he is not buying a ticket to see a faithful reproduction of album tracks - he doesn't know what form the songs will take and this excites him. Bob knows that the artist may be late and that this may kill the energy of the crowd. Bob knows the artist may cancel but will travel anyway. When Bob knows his ticket he understands it is like buying a lottery ticket rather than a typical concert ticket and is cool with this. Bob does not mind waiting at a venue with an increasingly hostile atmosphere and finds like minded people to pass the time. By the time the artist arrives Bob is still open and receptive to complicated unfamiliar arrangements and ready to give his energy up. I would guess that the people like Bob are a very small percentage of any audience If Lauryn wanted to produce an experience for the few then fair enough but she seems to want to produce an experience for the many. However much you wish it were different the many are not like Bob. I hope the desire to produce for the many is not simply economically based.
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Post by Oprah on May 12, 2016 11:44:57 GMT 1
I think for the most part the people that complain the most about Lauryn are the ones who care the most. We all want her to win but she must also want it herself as well. There are merits to both sides but it's not good for Lauryn to polarise her fans this way. Questlove, one of Lauryn's biggest advocates, waded in on the issue. Not sure these are his exact words but interesting nonetheless. www.okayplayer.com/news/questlove-lauryn-hill-lateness-atlanta.htmlPersonally I think that court case really did a number on Lauryn and may be the source of some of her internal strife and anxiety. Questlove is bipolar himself, and need to go have a seat with them wide hips. He seem to have an opinion about everybody. He shitted on Lauryn when Amy Winehouse Back to Black came out.
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Post by mbalnd on May 12, 2016 11:47:50 GMT 1
I think for the most part the people that complain the most about Lauryn are the ones who care the most. We all want her to win but she must also want it herself as well. There are merits to both sides but it's not good for Lauryn to polarise her fans this way. Questlove, one of Lauryn's biggest advocates, waded in on the issue. Not sure these are his exact words but interesting nonetheless. www.okayplayer.com/news/questlove-lauryn-hill-lateness-atlanta.htmlPersonally I think that court case really did a number on Lauryn and may be the source of some of her internal strife and anxiety. Questlove is bipolar himself, and need to go have a seat with them wide hips. He seem to have an opinion about everybody. He shitted on Lauryn when Amy Winehouse Back to Black came out. Lol
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Post by Oprah on May 12, 2016 11:54:13 GMT 1
Questlove is bipolar himself, and need to go have a seat with them wide hips. He seem to have an opinion about everybody. He shitted on Lauryn when Amy Winehouse Back to Black came out. Lol He's talking about Lauryn is doing it to survive... Basically she's only doing it to make money. Has he not realized Lauryn has been late to gigs dating back to 2004/2005? Does he not know she was only late an hour? Yes, a younger generation might not get her. But if D'Angelo can be caught by police with prostitutes, suffering with a crack addiction and release an album... Lauryn can over come anything.
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Post by Jena on May 12, 2016 14:18:02 GMT 1
I think for the most part the people that complain the most about Lauryn are the ones who care the most. We all want her to win but she must also want it herself as well. There are merits to both sides but it's not good for Lauryn to polarise her fans this way. Questlove, one of Lauryn's biggest advocates, waded in on the issue. Not sure these are his exact words but interesting nonetheless. www.okayplayer.com/news/questlove-lauryn-hill-lateness-atlanta.htmlPersonally I think that court case really did a number on Lauryn What made you call him one of Lauryn's biggest advocates? He doesn't sound like he likes Lauryn at all. Talib Kweli has been one of her biggest advocates and he has been going hard defending her on twitter.
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Post by AinA on May 12, 2016 19:57:38 GMT 1
When the Grammys happened it was someone else fault. Next thing we know Lauryn is at the Emmys late. Then she performs at Black Girls Rock.... late... matter of fact she performed after the show was over. Yet, little do you all know Lauryn was actually supposed to perform 2 new songs during the performance (I have the practice recording of both new songs), yet she was late to that. Now she is being dragged on the internet for being an hour late which her engineer stated on his twtter. And most of the people complaining are fans. Matter of fact many posted their experiences over the years of attending Lauryn shows with her being late. While their was haters in-between the majority was fans. Just because fans disagree with an artist doesn't make them haters of the artist. Whitney Houston recognized that during her struggle, as most of the hate she received actually came from fans. Most people are not on the internet checking out Lauryn like we do, most of what they know about Lauryn is through word of mouth, and often times such passes slowly for an artist thats basically a touring act in 2016. What's up? So, it's not about disagreement, you can do that, but when you get into attacking people's character, their work, contributions and just being plain mean for no real reason (and especially when a person is not taking things into consideration like contractual obligations and any other issues), and then turning your backs on them, that's not a fan, that's just someone who wants what they want, when they want it, like a child. Majority were downright disgusting and self-serving. I ran across some that I knew were unsure about how concerts operate (which is a bit of a conundrum to me, especially if you attend concerts frequently lol), anyway, I ran across a few that were genuinely decent, but were just confused and tried to give advice lol. The majority were entirely disgusting, many ppl are disguised as fans. They see these artists/people as *products* and *puppets*. I understand the bit about word of mouth and the reason it's like that is because many do not understand the process of concert flow. Ok, so the info is 9:30 instead of around 10, that she was supposed to have arrived, that's fine, sounds about right as most artists only perform for 1.5 or so. Yes, she was late, but not 2.5 hours lol. I encourage progress, but I ain't gon' bash the sister, we don't know she's dealing with. So, lately her more recent concerts she's been appearing on time (within 1-2 hours after ticket time). lol!! I don't blame her for doing this, I think it's a good idea, people need to really look at how things are setup lol. When you go to concerts, the main person will not be seen until much later. Pittsburgh was at 8pm start time I believe.
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