sykes
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Post by sykes on Jul 20, 2007 17:44:44 GMT 1
At a time like this lets remember what said herself almost nine years ago about this same situation... "it's funny how money change a situation. Miscommunication leads to complication, My emancipation don't your equation....etc,etc,etc." This is the last thing I'm gonna to say about this cuz its really old and lame at this point. I don't Think anyone is saying Ms. Hill's not to blame and Fu*k what the industry and Rohan may have said and done....point is WE DON"T KNOW THEM...So all this speculation is somewhat pointless and also. Pras has said a lot of mean sh!t about and maybe to Lauryn... So I'm guessing jelousy plays a major roll in this...Cuz truth is no one (at lest musically) gives A RATS FURRY ASS about Pras. In fact the only time we talk him on this board is when he's Talking shit about Ms. Hill. I mean sure he was hot for a min with ghetto superstar BUT THAT WAS IT!! and you people (namely the ones that are guest of this board) Wanna talk crap about Ms. get over yourselves please. We are fans but we (well at lest I) have not forgotten that shes human too. Let her do what she wants personally I'd rather a new Ms. Hill record over a New Fugees Record any day....
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Post by Visitor on Jul 20, 2007 21:33:00 GMT 1
I don't know what happened between them but I know it's never right to chastise someone publicly. No matter what, Pras is in error for doing that. I think it's a matter of good character or the lack thereof. What this is doing is exposing his bad character.
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Post by sybill on Jul 20, 2007 21:42:49 GMT 1
Personally, I'm not saying that Pras is lying about lauryn. I know that Lauryn is a great amazing artist etc...she's my favorite BUT she got issues (but all great artists are a little mental sometimes cus art comes from crazyness). My problem is that Pras is starting to get on my nerves airing all his dirty laundry like that. He's opened his mouth not once but a million times about Lauryn ! You don't see Clef talking shit about Lauryn. But pras has to diss her whenever he gets the chance. So, the fugees reunion didn't work out, move on, d**n it !!!! this is sooo highschool. Aren't they a little too old for that ?
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Post by Visitor on Jul 20, 2007 23:55:36 GMT 1
Whatever it is he should tell her not the media. It doesn't look good on him.
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Post by Reality on Jul 21, 2007 4:34:40 GMT 1
Personally, I'm not saying that Pras is lying about lauryn. I know that Lauryn is a great amazing artist etc...she's my favorite BUT she got issues (but all great artists are a little mental sometimes cus art comes from crazyness). My problem is that Pras is starting to get on my nerves airing all his dirty laundry like that. He's opened his mouth not once but a million times about Lauryn ! You don't see Clef talking shit about Lauryn. But pras has to diss her whenever he gets the chance. So, the fugees reunion didn't work out, move on, d**n it !!!! this is sooo highschool. Aren't they a little too old for that ? That's a lie. Pras has NEVER NO ONCE talked shit about Lauryn until 2007!!!!! Even when she and Clef were having huge beefs, Pras stood by her side through it all. When the media was ripping into her 2003 who was it that defended her to Toure in the Rolling Stone Article??!! PRAS!! Who was it that spoke nothing except praises about her in the Block Party movie: Pras. Pras stood by her until 2007, when he finally got fed up. And wouldn't you get fed up to. She wont shake your hand She wont touch you You, who have known her for 20 years, now have to call her Ms. Hill You who showed her when she was a shy skinny girl from South Orange how to work her stage, now have to wait in the wings for her. Senseless. He's fed up. And what dirty laundy is he airing. In both interviews he did, the E! one and this one, he's only said she has issues she needs to work out and that she isn't cooperating. That's not airing dirty laundry. Wanna know airing dirty laundry: "The Fugees are an emotionally toxic situation" "The Fugees were a conspiracy to control me" "There were alot of people who's evil I could have exposed on that album". She said all this stuff WHILE they were working on the album. How you gon be working on an album with someone then go an do an interview and call them emotionally toxic conspiratorial evils. It's foolish. Pras stood by her for years. However, Lauryn has brought his anger on herself. You don't turn on someone who stood by you for twenty years and make them treat you like a god. Pras was a student at Yale University, one of the most prestigious institutions of learning in the United States. Ms. Hill?? Columbia...an average-above average university. He may not be as good a rapper, but he is QUITE intelligent and well learned he knows what he deserves. I say again, we simply must stop making excuses for her especially in her personal affairs and holding other people for blame while holding her spotless.
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Post by Filip on Jul 21, 2007 9:45:25 GMT 1
BRAVO!BRAVO! Man you deserve to be a president!
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Post by Filip on Jul 21, 2007 9:51:28 GMT 1
I wanted to say that,too! Pras even wrote a big part about Lauryn on his first album!He sad (in thank you note):Lauryn-The center and the mother of the whole Fugees.Pras was supporting Clef until beef but luckily everything went ok.And Pras career went down the road cos he was trying to get the Fugees together all the time.Now i`m so happy that he FINALLY realised that he should worry more about himself and his music!I`m so happy waiting to hear his new material.As for the Fugees....maybe there`s still hope,but i will always respect all of them EQUALLY!Viva Refugees!
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Post by Filip on Jul 21, 2007 9:54:36 GMT 1
YO,Reality,please register baby so i can give you karma point!
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Post by DR on Jul 22, 2007 0:24:47 GMT 1
Reality:
Just to correct you. Both Yale and Columbia Universities are ivy league and are considered equal. They are both considered elite--amongst the very top of univerisites in the U.S. Having said this, I do agree with you in many instances.
Clef has a right to air his greviances. Lauryn aired hers on MisEd about Clef and on Unplugged about Rohan and Clef. All things are equal.
Personally, I do like Pras. Anyone would be angry under the circumstances. Lauryn did drag both Clef and Pras into the meley regarding a Fugees reunion. Allowing them to believe that there would infact be an album, only to renage. Now, I am sure a great deal of that came from pressure from Columbia Records to put out a Fugees album. Lauryn did not want to. Pras and Clef, and eventually Columbia Records, realized that they cound not man-handle a stubborn and talented Lauyn to concede.
All I'm saying, is that it is okay that Pras, Lauryn, Clef or anybody else say what they want. People have the right to defend themselves also though.
I do not fault Pras.
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Post by loves1embrace on Jul 22, 2007 3:12:42 GMT 1
Why is something not clicking in her? Based on the comments I have heard come from Pras and Wyclef, I tend to believe her when she said, " there was a conspiracy to control and manipulate her. " How quickly you guys forget all of the things she gave up to remain loyal to these two individuals ( solo record, movie roles, commercials and no telling what else) when advertisers only wanted her. They in turn showed no loyalty to her. Pras got on national TV and said the things he did about her first pregnancy (true or not) with no regard to that child. I have absolutely no respect for him. That baby now has to go to school and face ridicule from kids. He can not force her to record with them nor is his attempts at tarnishing her name going to work. I can't imagine her ever forgiving him and trusting him enough to record with him again. I know he likes to blame Lauryn, but Pras I ask what is our role? Lauryn needs to just keep her focus on herself and her family and she will be fine. Her first priority is to herself. You have got to be one of the most brainwashed fanatics I've witnessed thus far. Pras and Wyclef have NO reason to gang up on her. Everyone in the record industry says she's the problem, Clef and Pras say it, Rohan left. Almost everyone who was once close with her left her. Could it possible be that Lauryn is the problem. You've become so obsessed with her and her impassions speeches that you've lose all site of reality. It's downright frightening. And you too Aloo. Why would you wait for Lauryn to speak. If Lauryn is indeed the problem like EVERYONE claims, then why would her words be anything but excuses tailored to defend her foolery? I completely support Pras in his decision to move on. I believe he's absolutely fed up with her, and well he should be. So many others are. "Could it be that you had me as an idol, worshiped above measure"...is the only thing I can think of every time I visit. It is therefore such shameful irony that these are her words. Lauryn choice to not record another cd with them could have very well been there difference in music choice/content! She is very different now and her musical content is alot more spiritual and political! It doesn't have to be that she's crazy and cant get along with other's! I mean, come on! Of course she's gone through somethings and has made decisions that others wouldnt! People lose friends and lover, THAT's LIFE! (although im not so sure about the status of her relationship with rohan) N refering to ur statement about the statement Lauryn made, "Could it be that you had me as an idol, worshiped above measure!" Every line of that statement is true! Being in the music industry people create who they wont u to be and sometimes the artist begins to be what others want u to be! LAuryn took time off to collect her self and to find that spiritual place that would keep her grounded! She's made mistakes! And im pretty sure that whatever is going on between the three there can be blame thrown in all three directions! Everyones quick to blame Lauryn because her struggle has been so publicly misconstrud! I love her music and i wish her the best! Clef and Pras are both great MC's and i also wish them the best!
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Post by Filip on Jul 22, 2007 10:32:58 GMT 1
Yeah,that`s the spirit....no fighting people,just everybody needs to express their feelings...
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Post by Big-D on Aug 2, 2007 11:09:58 GMT 1
Personally, I'm not saying that Pras is lying about lauryn. I know that Lauryn is a great amazing artist etc...she's my favorite BUT she got issues (but all great artists are a little mental sometimes cus art comes from crazyness). My problem is that Pras is starting to get on my nerves airing all his dirty laundry like that. He's opened his mouth not once but a million times about Lauryn ! You don't see Clef talking shit about Lauryn. But pras has to diss her whenever he gets the chance. So, the fugees reunion didn't work out, move on, d**n it !!!! this is sooo highschool. Aren't they a little too old for that ? That's a lie. Pras has NEVER NO ONCE talked shit about Lauryn until 2007!!!!! Even when she and Clef were having huge beefs, Pras stood by her side through it all. When the media was ripping into her 2003 who was it that defended her to Toure in the Rolling Stone Article??!! PRAS!! Who was it that spoke nothing except praises about her in the Block Party movie: Pras. Pras stood by her until 2007, when he finally got fed up. And wouldn't you get fed up to. She wont shake your hand She wont touch you You, who have known her for 20 years, now have to call her Ms. Hill You who showed her when she was a shy skinny girl from South Orange how to work her stage, now have to wait in the wings for her. Senseless. He's fed up. And what dirty laundy is he airing. In both interviews he did, the E! one and this one, he's only said she has issues she needs to work out and that she isn't cooperating. That's not airing dirty laundry. Wanna know airing dirty laundry: "The Fugees are an emotionally toxic situation" "The Fugees were a conspiracy to control me" "There were alot of people who's evil I could have exposed on that album". She said all this stuff WHILE they were working on the album. How you gon be working on an album with someone then go an do an interview and call them emotionally toxic conspiratorial evils. It's foolish. Pras stood by her for years. However, Lauryn has brought his anger on herself. You don't turn on someone who stood by you for twenty years and make them treat you like a god. Pras was a student at Yale University, one of the most prestigious institutions of learning in the United States. Ms. Hill?? Columbia...an average-above average university. He may not be as good a rapper, but he is QUITE intelligent and well learned he knows what he deserves. I say again, we simply must stop making excuses for her especially in her personal affairs and holding other people for blame while holding her spotless. amen
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Post by jamesbarber4 on Aug 3, 2007 0:16:15 GMT 1
The only thing thats straight dead is Pras Career!
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Post by Moderator on Aug 3, 2007 5:48:56 GMT 1
The only thing thats straight dead is Pras Career! hahaha too funny! but true lol
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Post by Big-D on Aug 3, 2007 15:12:33 GMT 1
The only thing thats straight dead is Pras Career! oh really?how's that?
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